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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2013, 06:00:41 PM »

T-M-T while you were sleeping, Patriot Voice Radio - Trucker Randy Bishop responds to Senator Randy Richardville part 1.wmv
Get the rest of the details from your buddie.

Now can you please stay on topic.


That was interesting.....that happened back in the early Spring, what ever became of it?
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2013, 06:24:43 PM »

As a reporter, I've had people try to sell me a lot of crazy stuff.

I've talked to folks who really believe the government is listening in on their intermost thoughts through the fillings in their teeth. I've heard all about the United Nations plot to rip children away from their parents for PC, multicultural brainwashing. And there are, of course, the folks who know our president is a Muslim socialist secretly born in Kenya.

But I don't think I've heard anything as disgusting and offensive as what a couple Tea Party miscreants expelled this week. And the most bat-poop crazy thing about it is that media outlets were willing to take their rantings at face value and run with them.

Their names are R. Al Bain and "Trucker" Randy Bishop -- and no, I'm not making that up. They don't like Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville (R-Monroe) very much, which is fine. I've never much cared for Burt Reynolds and his cheese-ball mustache, but I mostly keep that to myself.

However, Bain and Bishop aren't exactly shy and retiring gents. They decided to send several emails to GOP senators demanding for Richardville to step down as leader because they believe he's a terrible person.

Oh, there's some stuff about him not being sufficiently conservative enough on union issues, even though he's ushered dozens of bills that labor has raised holy hell about -- most recently legislation that bans graduate students from unionizing and school districts from collecting union dues.

Richardville was even the first one out of the gate on "Right to Teach" -- a Right to Work bill for teachers. And he's refused to sign a petition for the unions' "Protect Our Jobs" collective bargaining petition, saying it "goes too far."

But Bain and Bishop know that Richardville doesn't deserve to be a member of the Grand Old Party.

"This guy is not a Republican," Bain told MIRS. "I don't care if he's got an 'R' after his name. He's not a Republican."

Now would be a good time to point out the fact that both activists have failed miserably in their own attempts to join the Michigan Senate. In 2010, now-Sen. Howard Walker (R-Traverse City) crushed Bishop by 22 points. And Bain ran against -- you guessed it -- Richardville, who beat him like a drum by a 36-point margin.

"This has nothing to do with sour grapes," Bain insisted.

Right. And Burt Reynolds deserved an Oscar for "The Longest Yard."

Now we get to the truly stomach-churning part. Their main beef with Richardville is very personal. And they're very proud to publicly spread completely unverified rumors -- which they admit -- just to take a guy down.

I won't dignify the excrement these men sent to senators about the majority leader and his family, because I have too much respect for Richardville, his loved ones and the institution of the Senate. I will say that for Bishop and Bain to claim to extol "family values," they sure have a funny way of showing it with their vile rhetoric.

One wonders if such people might slink back into the primordial ooze from which they were spawned.

I would also point out that I have a healthy respect for the law in regards to slander and libel provisions. Sadly, these Tea Partiers who profess to love the Constitution and rule of law more than life itself don't seem to grasp basic legal concepts.

And a certain Charlevoix radio station, WKMT-1270, apparently is blissfully unaware of legal standards, as well. Host Greg Marshall gave Bishop a forum on Wednesday afternoon to let his freak flag fly for more than an hour. Bain also joined in the fun.

In between belching out unsubstantiated rumors against Richardville, the Tea Partiers dragged my publication, MIRS, into the mud by insisting we were writing a story based on his hallucinations. We weren't, haven't and won't be doing so. My boss, Kyle Melinn, got on the air to inform the radio station of that fact.

But at least one blog had already taken the story and run with it. And as I warn my 9-year-old daughter who asked me if she could open a Facebook account, once you post something on the Internets, it's there forever. (Which is why my answer was a resounding "no").

This incident makes me weep for my profession, which I love dearly, because this sort of bile has no place in real journalism. And unfortunately, in an era of unlimited information, which can be wondrous, it also means that lies and innuendo have new forums to fester.

And it also makes me cringe about the politics of personal destruction, which have increasingly become the norm.

"This is why good people don't want to run for office anymore," Richardville told me sadly on Wednesday.

I'd like to hope that these Tea Partiers are the exception and not the rule. But last year, Dennis Moore of the Willow Run Tea Party told activists to "encourage" Sen. Judy Emmons (R-Sheridan) to vote against Gov. Rick Snyder's New International Trade Crossing (NITC) -- or inform her that she'd face a primary. These guys act like low-grade mafiosos.

I'd also like to think that politicians wouldn't spend thousands on opposition research to unearth (or manufacture) the personal failings of their opponents. I'd like to think that no one would try to exploit the power of their office to go after staffers of the opposing party for no good reason.

If some in Lansing would take away that message from this unsavory episode, that would give me some hope. Unfortunately, I've spent enough time in politics to not get my hopes up too high.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/post_73.html
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 01:19:55 PM »

The evidence is there, plenty of it.
A claim that cannot be proven either way...

Unless you are an immediate family member, you are overstepping your boundaries.  There are State and Federal Laws protecting the privacy of Students and educational records in educational and special educational areas.

There are exceptions in the IDEA laws that allow what may have happened, and since it is a private matter with family and the schools - they will have been given that information and the appeals process if it actually applied.

As you claim they moved schools or at least no longer attend Jefferson - you can snoop on them and see if their "new" school does anything different...
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2013, 01:46:52 PM »

I would leave it up to the family of the child to stir their own pot.  It could be entirely possible they are not looking for YOUR "help".
A claim that cannot be proven either way...

Unless you are an immediate family member, you are overstepping your boundaries.  There are State and Federal Laws protecting the privacy of Students and educational records in educational and special educational areas.

There are exceptions in the IDEA laws that allow what may have happened, and since it is a private matter with family and the schools - they will have been given that information and the appeals process if it actually applied.

As you claim they moved schools or at least no longer attend Jefferson - you can snoop on them and see if their "new" school does anything different...

While you two are trying to silence the OP...neither of you are members of the community he is trying to inform so stick a sock in it.

Admittedly I'm not a fan of "toobad" but he has every right to post on this forum as everybody else does.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2013, 09:23:58 PM »

I didn't tell him not to post or put a sock in it so you can do that in turn.  I just said I would let the family take care of their own matters or seek him out for assistance (which maybe they have and he is just being coy about it).  Anyhoo it seems as if it is a State of Michigan issue that is playing out in a Monroe County district, I definately reside in the State of Michigan, and have just as much right to post whatever I wish as he does or you for that matter.  So find that sock and keep it in the family.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 08:46:09 AM »

While you two are trying to silence the OP...neither of you are members of the community he is trying to inform so stick a sock in it.

Admittedly I'm not a fan of "toobad" but he has every right to post on this forum as everybody else does.
While my posts were on topic and informational, what is your's?

If you see someone walking into a legal issue you might want to caution them...
I thought you of all people would appreciate that  8*

He claimed to have knowledge of an issue
was given direction or an overview of the area to review/research on his own
and finally educated on the privacy laws in education -

What was your advice to him?   or were you just trolling  ;)
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 10:18:27 AM »

While my posts were on topic and informational, what is your's?

If you see someone walking into a legal issue you might want to caution them...
I thought you of all people would appreciate that  8*

He claimed to have knowledge of an issue
was given direction or an overview of the area to review/research on his own
and finally educated on the privacy laws in education -

What was your advice to him?   or were you just trolling  ;)
The OP created this topic over concern about the possible violation of handicapped students rights in the community where I reside and since you're not a member of the community in question...I have to assume you're trying to silence him as some sort of personal hate Vendetta...which really is your M.O.

But please feel free to continue with more of your pointless contributions since you've paid the same membership fees into this public forum as the rest of us.
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No emails, no warnings, no communication whatsoever...just that ban

May be what happened to the other libs as well.

I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2013, 01:14:01 PM »




The OP created this topic over concern about the possible violation of handicapped students rights in the community where I reside and since you're not a member of the community in question...I have to assume you're trying to silence him as some sort of personal hate Vendetta...which really is your M.O.

But please feel free to continue with more of your pointless contributions since you've paid the same membership fees into this public forum as the rest of us.

Oh,
You're waving the Frenchtown Flag now while you troll...

If you actually had something to add to the topic - you would have by now.
Which I did if you bothered to read...  8*

My first post: Link to State site for his reference
Here's Michigan's requirements and the forms.
It would fall to the ISD for some form of complaint as they oversee special education in the county.

http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140-6530_6598-236252--,00.html


My reply to the claim that toobad had "documented" evidence...
To answer this someone would actually have to have access to your "documented evidence"

Since we only have hearsay,  you'll have to rely on the above informational posts as to how the system works.

BTW - if you did have "documented evidence"... and you weren't actually a party to the process, you've likely violated federal law.


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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2013, 01:39:04 PM »

Wow...I had read this post when it was originally posted, but I didn't think it'd turn into a war of words. IMO, this sounds like a personal matter, an isolated incident between a family and an administrator. I don't think that I would want anyone advocating on behalf of our family unless I gave my explicit consent (which has yet to happen since I believe that a child's best advocate is a parent). If there was a violation of the student's rights, there are two choices...pursue it or move on. It sounds like the family has moved on, so I don't quite understand the purpose of this thread. Aside from the title being misleading (I first assumed that it meant that multiple students IEPs were being cancelled), it doesn't seem like there's an end-game here.

Side note, I'm in the Jefferson district and I can honestly say that I don't think that a principle has ever participated in scheduling or contributing to an IEP. Usually it's just the teacher, therapists, and ISD reps.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2013, 04:24:12 PM »

The OP created this topic over concern about the possible violation of handicapped students rights in the community where I reside and since you're not a member of the community in question...I have to assume you're trying to silence him as some sort of personal hate Vendetta...which really is your M.O.

But please feel free to continue with more of your pointless contributions since you've paid the same membership fees into this public forum as the rest of us.

I thikn both Prof H and I live in Michigan... I could be wrong.

Your only intent with your post was to stir it up and you got sat down for it.  Yet you are the one who tries to claim "bullied" which is laughable since, again here, you clearly were the one trying to get folks into the name calling business.

Just because you live in the shadow of the school doesn't give you more access to the discussion... Prop A made discussions about public schools a State issue.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2013, 12:00:45 PM »

I thikn both Prof H and I live in Michigan... I could be wrong.

Your only intent with your post was to stir it up and you got sat down for it.  Yet you are the one who tries to claim "bullied" which is laughable since, again here, you clearly were the one trying to get folks into the name calling business.

Just because you live in the shadow of the school doesn't give you more access to the discussion... Prop A made discussions about public schools a State issue.
You're completely delusional.
Nobody "got sat down" and nothing posted would justify bullying or name calling.
If you see someone walking into a legal issue you might want to caution them...

He claimed to have knowledge of an issue
was given direction or an overview of the area to review/research on his own
and finally educated on the privacy laws in education -
Where is it that someone violated the privacy of someone?
You guys are seeing things that simply doesn't exist.
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No emails, no warnings, no communication whatsoever...just that ban

May be what happened to the other libs as well.

I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2013, 01:16:44 AM »

You're completely delusional.
Nobody "got sat down" and nothing posted would justify bullying or name calling.

Yes delusional is a term of endearment.  Thank you for proving my point and missing on the meat of the discussion all within the same two line post.
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2013, 10:54:54 AM »

Where is it that someone violated the privacy of someone?
You guys are seeing things that simply doesn't exist.
I merely pointed out that if toobad wasn't a family member, yet claimed to have "documents" for others to review...
Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?
" - it could be a violation of federal laws.


Not hearing anything further...
I'm guessing they took heed of the warning - or the issue really wasn't one in the first place.
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2013, 01:07:57 PM »

I merely pointed out that if toobad wasn't a family member, yet claimed to have "documents" for others to review..." - it could be a violation of federal laws.


Not hearing anything further...
I'm guessing they took heed of the warning - or the issue really wasn't one in the first place.
So now law is your area of expertise?

Look, you and your other tag-teaming member fabricated issues that simply doesn't exist anywhere but in your tin-foil covered minds.

For some reason, you two seem to be trying to get the OP to reveal his association....and to that I say...TROLL MUCH?
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No emails, no warnings, no communication whatsoever...just that ban

May be what happened to the other libs as well.

I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2013, 07:27:23 PM »

So now law is your area of expertise?

Look, you and your other tag-teaming member fabricated issues that simply doesn't exist anywhere but in your tin-foil covered minds.

For some reason, you two seem to be trying to get the OP to reveal his association....and to that I say...TROLL MUCH?
I know the good side of the law - can't help it if you're experiences are different.
I was trying to keep someone from going afoul...   especially after that person was claiming to know the libel laws...

Speaking of Trolls...
JBS and I contributed to the topic at hand - please cite your contribution...   8*

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