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[SidecarFlip]

So far, they don't want the guns. They want to restrict the guns. IMO, a lot of those who want the government to "bring it on" will hand over their ARs as soon as the tank approaches their door. It's a lot easier to bluster before the black helicopters ACTUALLY start to circle.

Sammy, they (government) has wanted the guns for 30 years now.  Until Obama, they didn't have a vehicle brash or crass enough to ask, excuse me, tell.....

There won't be a tank, or black helicopters.  It will be infantry, all wearing foreign uniforms, probably NATO 'peacekeepers'

What you don't comprehend is of of comes to that, the armed malitia the citizens, will operate covertly and discretely and elimination of the enemy will be selective and deliberate.

It won't be the barricade yourself in your house and brandish your AR as a martyr.  Thats not how it works in the real world.

You watch troo much fantasy television.

[sammy]

Sammy,

If the US Government roles tanks, helicopters, and planes against US Citizens on US Soil then the war is on.

At that point this Government will be illegitimate in the viewpoint of many citizens.

Now - ask yourself - what will the states do when this happens?  What will the Military do?  Will you have some states sending their National Guard units up against Army regulars?  Will some units "mutiny" and refuse to move against US citizens?  Will some units support the orders to go - while other units attempt to block them?

Will there be people willing to stand in front of tanks - like happened in China?

Do you SERIOUSLY see that tank driver running over that citizen with their tank?

I don't.  It didn't happen in China, and I don't see it happening here.  If they do then game on I'm afraid, and there are more people with Military training out of the Military then still in it, and I don't see all the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq war vets pissing their pants when the shooting starts.

I think you are over-reacting to things that are probably not to happen here. For answers to your questions, you should maybe study what is going on in the Middle East. What happened in Egypt, what is happening in Syria? Most of the Viet vets are my age, and will pose no threat to a full-on assault by the gummint. As will those who served in any subsequent wars and excursions. Yes, those tanks will roll over those who resist. "We" are well-armed, but no match for the most well-armed army in the world. "we the people" , if push comes to shove, will fall to "them". The end.

[Pax]

    The guerilla warfare of barely-armed peasants has proven itself highly superior to the US military forces at least since the UN-sponsored Korean conflict.  The Bankster's last hope is hundreds-of-thousands of American-hating, heavily-armed, goons from every 3rd World cesspool in existence against Bubba and his damn-Yankee neighbors.  I, for one, would like to see how that battle ends.

[sammy]

Sammy, they (government) has wanted the guns for 30 years now.  Until Obama, they didn't have a vehicle brash or crass enough to ask, excuse me, tell.....

There won't be a tank, or black helicopters.  It will be infantry, all wearing foreign uniforms, probably NATO 'peacekeepers'

What you don't comprehend is of of comes to that, the armed malitia the citizens, will operate covertly and discretely and elimination of the enemy will be selective and deliberate.

It won't be the barricade yourself in your house and brandish your AR as a martyr.  Thats not how it works in the real world.

You watch troo much fantasy television.

I don't watch any "fantasy television".You're really over the edge, aren't you?

[Monroe Native]

I don't watch any "fantasy television".You're really over the edge, aren't you?

I for one am not over the edge....  but I can see it getting there.

[sammy]

I for one am not over the edge....  but I can see it getting there.

I know you see those helicopters coming! The funny part is , this would be the best-armed populence against the best-armed military in the world. Who do you think would win? Funnier than that is the fact that those who would oppose the oppose those government forces are the very ones who praise those military forces to the high heavens. Funny, ain't it?

[SidecarFlip]

I don't watch any "fantasy television".You're really over the edge, aren't you?

No, not at all.  I'm just a realist.  This forum is unlike the forums I normally post on.  All the other forums I'm a member of are Long Range shooting forums, or industry related sites and all members are firearm owners, dealers and those dedicated to the long range shooting sports (over 1000 yards).

Normally I don't have to reply to inane posts about what if or why, they all know why, they are all grown men and all mature and steadfast in their belief's of the the Constitution, the Second Amendment and being an American, not a puppet of some socialist regime...

It's not only fantasy to say the helicopters are coming, it's childish.  It don't play that way but then I suspect you are way too young to know that.

Put another way, the end game is you bend over and KYA goodbye.

[SidecarFlip]

    The guerilla warfare of barely-armed peasants has proven itself highly superior to the US military forces at least since the UN-sponsored Korean conflict.  The Bankster's last hope is hundreds-of-thousands of American-hating, heavily-armed, goons from every 3rd World cesspool in existence against Bubba and his damn-Yankee neighbors.  I, for one, would like to see how that battle ends.

Well Pax, you know me off forum so you already know where I stand. 

[The Fuzz]

    The guerilla warfare of barely-armed peasants has proven itself highly superior to the US military forces at least since the UN-sponsored Korean conflict.  The Bankster's last hope is hundreds-of-thousands of American-hating, heavily-armed, goons from every 3rd World cesspool in existence against Bubba and his damn-Yankee neighbors.  I, for one, would like to see how that battle ends.

Seems the Taliban has held their own for a decade now, and the Iraqi's seemed to fare well against our troops too.  I don't think either of their armies were considered world threats or skillfully trained in military tactics with crude fire power.

[Monroe Native]

I know you see those helicopters coming! The funny part is , this would be the best-armed populence against the best-armed military in the world. Who do you think would win? Funnier than that is the fact that those who would oppose the oppose those government forces are the very ones who praise those military forces to the high heavens. Funny, ain't it?

I think you are dated with the black helicopters.  Now they just use drones over the US, and I am sure at some point those would become armed drones.

Yes I do have high regard for our Military and those that serve in it.  That is why I agree with Flip that it may not be the US Military that does the dirty work.  They will probably have UN on their uniforms someplace.  I am not sure which way the US Military will go if this comes to a head.  They also swear to uphold the US Constitution.  They may just be part of the rebellion.

If you don't see that in multiple conflicts poorly trained people with light weapons can tie up the best trained most technologically advanced Military in the world you are not studying the history of the last 60 years - and longer for that matter.  Only a fool would take on a tank with an AR15.  That is the stuff of movies you claim you don't watch.  What you CAN do with an AR15, or your favorite buddy who likes taking shots over 1 KM is harder for them to stop.  There will be far more armed insurgents in the US then there were in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam COMBINED.

They know this - and it is ONLY common sense that anyone with large capacity magazines, assault rifles, etc register them now.  I mean....  it is to protect our KIDS after all.  Never mind it wouldn't have prevented ANY of the shootings.

Nope Sammy - no one trying to take away guns.  We are all just paranoid as we watch our government grow larger, and we watch our Constitution violated.

[blue2]

I believe if there are more mass shootings while obama is still in office there will be a ban on almost all weapons.   The government won't confiscate them but if you are caught with one you will go to jail.  Obama will ignore Congress if he has to and wait for the Supreme Court to rule.  By then he might have a liberal majority on the Court and it will become law.

[Monroe Native]

I believe if there are more mass shootings while obama is still in office there will be a ban on almost all weapons.   The government won't confiscate them but if you are caught with one you will go to jail.  Obama will ignore Congress if he has to and wait for the Supreme Court to rule.  By then he might have a liberal majority on the Court and it will become law.

Making law breaking citizens out of law abiding citizens....

Why would you do that I wonder?

[Baggins]

Seems the Taliban has held their own for a decade now, and the Iraqi's seemed to fare well against our troops too.  I don't think either of their armies were considered world threats or skillfully trained in military tactics with crude fire power.

Here's the thing fuzz, we have not brought to bare the full force of our military in any of these conflicts, when we have public outcry reigns it in...

[The Fuzz]

OK....I understand that could be a factor, but how F'd up is it that there could have been a concocted "backing off" order sent at the expense of young American lives resulting in prolonged duration of wars to appease our military industrial complex and "world" opinion.

Is our government even remotely possible of being that deceitful?  Hummm, I wonder how far up the ladder that is understood to be a possibility and by how many administrations now.

[Baggins]

OK....I understand that could be a factor, but how F'd up is it that there could have been a concocted "backing off" order sent at the expense of young American lives resulting in prolonged duration of wars to appease our military industrial complex and "world" opinion.

Is our government even remotely possible of being that deceitful?  Hummm, I wonder how far up the ladder that is understood to be a possibility and by how many administrations now.

In my most humble opinion...HELL YES!!!   All the way to the top...It's all nothing but lies and deceit.  Our government has gone off the deep end on a power trip with little way to stop it..