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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2013, 08:12:34 AM »

I did not say an answer, I asked why you blame D's in your opening statement and asked YOU to solve it then.  Your answer, state takeover dump money in that way.  Whatever.
So I you don't want to Blame D's who do you want to blame?

I blame D's because I have yet to see where they, in any level of government, have been willing to practice fiscal responsibility and live within their means...
Borrowing money to address daily operations should be a red flag  (Detroit, Buena Vista to name a few)...

In the specific school case there was at least fraud in trying to pass off to the State, to pay for students not enrolled... 

Just because you are a smaller poor district, doesn't mean you are ignorant of management principles...   don't spend more than you are bringing in, and keep good records.
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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2013, 11:19:17 AM »

There goes the big talker that CLAIMS he only wants discussion once again resorting to personal insults to play big man when he has nothing!

Here I was agreeing with you, and yet you still make it personal.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2013, 11:56:18 AM »

So I you don't want to Blame D's who do you want to blame?

I blame D's because I have yet to see where they, in any level of government, have been willing to practice fiscal responsibility and live within their means...
Borrowing money to address daily operations should be a red flag  (Detroit, Buena Vista to name a few)...

In the specific school case there was at least fraud in trying to pass off to the State, to pay for students not enrolled... 

Just because you are a smaller poor district, doesn't mean you are ignorant of management principles...   don't spend more than you are bringing in, and keep good records.


Okay, got it.  Republican's perfect, do no wrong, always right, angelic and perfect.

Democrats always wrong, evil and pathetic.

Then why aren't we a dictatorship ruled by you gods then rather than a democratic republic.  Geesh.
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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2013, 01:11:49 PM »

Here I was agreeing with you, and yet you still make it personal.

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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2013, 01:24:57 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2013, 01:33:02 PM »


To the members of MT that are just as tired of the nonsense as I am:
The only way to stop the bullying is to use that report to moderator link.
Just make sure it's the offender that's reported and not an in-kind response.
The bottom line...let's give decorum a chance.
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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2013, 03:53:29 PM »

Okay, got it.  Republican's perfect, do no wrong, always right, angelic and perfect.

Democrats always wrong, evil and pathetic.

Then why aren't we a dictatorship ruled by you gods then rather than a democratic republic.  Geesh.

Duck - you're more intelligent than this, and should be able to carry on a dialogue.

But I guess as the Topic suggests:
All complaints with no solutions...

Or do you have one that I missed?


This is about a population decline and how it's managed...

Why is it then, that Democrats and/or Socialist politicians seem to struggle with this more than independents and conservatives?

A few reasons:
a: good people who don't know how to manage
b: able to blame problems better than solve them
c: entitled to keep the status quo at all costs
d: unable to make tough decisions when faced with deficits

Anyone can manage growth - it's how you handle adversity or decline that defines a good system.   For instance here in Monroe - Jefferson Schools had to eliminate busing and pass a millage to re-open a fancy pool complex they built in their "growth" years of Fermi.
They did something - rather than sit around waiting for the State to bail them out  ;)

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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2013, 05:03:32 PM »

Duck - you're more intelligent than this, and should be able to carry on a dialogue.

I believe that you are intelligent also, yet confused why, in each post, you lay blame to one group and savior to the other.

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But I guess as the Topic suggests:
All complaints with no solutions...

You make the claim that only R’s are capable of correct management and fixing it.  So?

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This is about a population decline and how it's managed...

Why is it then, that Democrats and/or Socialist politicians seem to struggle with this more than independents and conservatives?

A few reasons:
a: good people who don't know how to manage
b: able to blame problems better than solve them
c: entitled to keep the status quo at all costs
d: unable to make tough decisions when faced with deficits

Anyone can manage growth - it's how you handle adversity or decline that defines a good system.   For instance here in Monroe - Jefferson Schools had to eliminate busing and pass a millage to re-open a fancy pool complex they built in their "growth" years of Fermi.
They did something - rather than sit around waiting for the State to bail them out   

Did Buena Vista do nothing at all to downsize?  What I read said that they had.  I don’t know what happened about that money, if it was intentional or other but certainly someone should be fired.  However, taking away all money that they needed to stay open and pay bills doesn’t seem the right approach either.  It may be all fun for you to place blame completely on D’s and the poor, but that solves nothing wither… does it?

My suggestion is that possibly funding isn’t correct since so many are struggling so badly.  But that is counter to the claim that R’s are gods and know what is right and best at all times.  It is all those dam Democrats fault that funding per pupil is down, after all, they have to force the schools to cut wages of those dam union people.

I have no problem with discussion, but this dump CLAIMS they want that but frame everything as D=evil, corrupt, dishonest, etc while R’s supposedly are perfect and angelic knowing the perfect answer for everything… BEFORE anyone says anything.   Just as you did, with framing it as all D’s fault BEFORE you even talked the topic.

So, what is the brilliant Republican plan other than cut off funding and have no money to pay teachers or the light bills?

So again, if you ACTUALLY want discussion perhaps asking for it rather than placing blame even before the other can "discuss" would be appropriate rather than preemptively shut it down with right wing spin.  I know that is the way it is now, shut down talk before it can be said, or if that fail you can "Quack, quack, quack" anything said to make that useless too. 
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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2013, 11:44:58 PM »

I was on a school board for 12 years and had to make tough decisions and even one year no raises for anyone...

I haven't heard what the plans presented by Buena Vista were, or when they were presented - but it appears from the media reports they didn't do anything until it was too late...

It's easy to blame the D's... as they are the party that seems to represent these types of districts (declining population, loss of job base)
I still haven't heard any solutions other than what I've proposed, where EM takeovers do the job that those administrators and boards wouldn't do...
Giving away money to failing leadership isn't a solution.

Show me a plan for the downsizing of  any of these districts that are failing to make payroll without borrowing - and I'll show you districts that are learning how to be conservative.
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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2013, 06:44:04 AM »

When you see cases like this it makes one want to give kudos to the MPSD for making the moves they did a few years back in right sizing to our declining student population.  They were not popular moves at the time but the Board stood their ground and made some good business decisions to keep the overall health of the school system here in town from becoming what Buena Vista is today.
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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2013, 06:53:03 AM »

The irony I see to all of this is if we can just get the economy 'rolling' again many of these issues will just disappear.  There will be more tax dollars available to spend. 

This was another 'issue' several of our leaders 'campaigned on' and I'm afraid the results are either not happening or happening very slow :-\ :-\ :-\
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2013, 07:34:42 AM »

Yeah, let's get the economy rolling again.  Maybe another stimulus?

Lets make this one a good one, though... Maybe three trillion dollars?

We could give all that printed, borrowed money to some new companies that will solve global warming.  I just hope they do it before they go belly up, which WILL happen.
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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2013, 10:11:16 AM »


 Sorry . . . Dead horse alert.


One thing that will hinder some of the growth of Michigan economy is the infrastructure of southeast Michigan. People and businesses will leave, and new won't want to locate here after experiencing our road conditions.

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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2013, 11:10:32 AM »

Sorry . . . Dead horse alert.


One thing that will hinder some of the growth of Michigan economy is the infrastructure of southeast Michigan. People and businesses will leave, and new won't want to locate here after experiencing our road conditions.

I agree nails... 

we're not going to get serious consideration for investment by any business until we solve the roads problem...  just as campaigned by all 3 of our local reps...  it should have been one of the very first problems solved...  but the can that's been being kicked for 20 years is still just being kicked along...  when do they stop kicking the can that they were all so opposed to when they were campaigning?

But what we do now have is a new bridge to feed even more overweight truck traffic onto our very, very local freeway to make it fall apart even faster than it has been and still with no plans on how to repair it.

Seems like the proverbial 'cart ahead of the horse to me...

but what do I know... 

I'm just a taxpayer and a voter >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Michigan Democrats - all complaint - no solutions...
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2013, 11:15:36 AM »

Yeah, let's get the economy rolling again. Maybe another stimulus?

Lets make this one a good one, though... Maybe three trillion dollars?

We could give all that printed, borrowed money to some new companies that will solve global warming.  I just hope they do it before they go belly up, which WILL happen.

Just out of curiosity live...

were you as opposed to a 'stimulus' back when "W" was handing out checks...

seems like we all had a thread back then where we all discussed what we were going to do with our $600 checks and I don't recall you saying you were going to send yours back ;) ;) ;)
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