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Re: Immigration
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2013, 05:48:51 PM »

It is illegal to hire illegals.  Why do we spend the resources finding many, many individuals when drying up the jobs of fewer employers would stop it far more efficiently.

I totally agree that drying up the jobs is the way to go.

I go to the Phoenix area alot - and when they started going after employers there was a VERY noticeable change in the makeup of the population and who was serving behind the counters.

The illegal has nothing to lose if they get busted.  A business owner?  They have a ton to lose if you make the consequences severe enough.
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2013, 08:22:05 PM »

And then what do we do with the "unauthorized" people? do we put them on welfare, or do we send them back from whence they came? What does the law say, and what does the government say? "Let's give them " a path to citizenship". You can't possibly throw 11 million people out of work without some kind of consequence. It's all well and good to punish those wicked employers who employ people for "slave wages", but what happens to those "slaves" who are making more money than they ever dreamed of  at home? Answer that question, and the government can wash it's hands of the whole problem.
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Re: Immigration
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2013, 08:34:30 PM »

And then what do we do with the "unauthorized" people? do we put them on welfare, or do we send them back from whence they came? What does the law say, and what does the government say? "Let's give them " a path to citizenship". You can't possibly throw 11 million people out of work without some kind of consequence. It's all well and good to punish those wicked employers who employ people for "slave wages", but what happens to those "slaves" who are making more money than they ever dreamed of  at home? Answer that question, and the government can wash it's hands of the whole problem.

In Arizona they went elsewhere.

Maybe they would "self deport" if they weren't able to find employment?

I for one can't agree with giving legal status to a person who entered this country illegally and broke laws ever since that day.

That is a slap in the face to EVERY person waiting in their home country hoping to come to the US.

You know what will happen after we reward people for breaking our laws AGAIN?

In five or ten years we will do it again.

I can't support rewarding people who break our laws.  Sorry if that makes me a "bad" person.
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Re: Immigration
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2013, 08:59:44 PM »

Sorry, they won't "self deport "when the possibility (certainty) of citizenship is so close. They will go deeper underground, but they will NOT go home as long as they think they have a chance to become legal.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2013, 09:04:20 PM »

Sorry, they won't "self deport "when the possibility (certainty) of citizenship is so close. They will go deeper underground, but they will NOT go home as long as they think they have a chance to become legal.


And why do they think the "certainty" of citizenship is so close?

I don't think this sham of a bill will pass the Senate, let along pass the house.

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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) doesn’t believe the Gang of Eight immigration bill – which he authored — has enough votes to break a possible filibuster on the Senate floor.
When asked on “Fox and Friends” Tuesday whether the bill has 60 “yes” votes, Rubio replied: “No, and I think even the Democrats would concede that.”
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This Government continues to reward bad behavior, and they wonder why everyone is doing the wrong thing.

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Re: Immigration
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2013, 09:07:48 PM »

The prez promised it, so it must be so! Trust me, these people are not going away, no matter what the Congress or anyone else does.
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2013, 09:18:43 PM »

The prez promised it, so it must be so! Trust me, these people are not going away, no matter what the Congress or anyone else does.

Not sure if you noticed, but the Prez is on a bit of a losing streak here lately....

I am not sure if his second term is going to be the triumph some planned on it being.

Fine - they don't have to go away. 

They can continue to stay here and break our laws.  Fine.  What else is new?  Our border security is a JOKE.  Go figure things like this are going to happen when you have a Federal Government who doesn't care about securing our borders but think they can provide healthcare for everyone.  Whatever!

Just enforce the laws that are supposed to prevent employers from employing illegals, and don't give illegals public assistance.

Do those two things - and Arizona discovered they go elsewhere.  Maybe they go to Canada and claim the US was persecuting them and ask for asylum.  Maybe they go back to Mexico.  Maybe they break a law and get incarcerated.  Maybe the ask for a ride back to Mexico or wherever they came from. 

Frankly I don't care what option they chose.  We shouldn't reward people for breaking our laws with citizenship or a green card or anything else.

Again - why doesn't Congress pass a bill to secure the border and enforce existing laws - and THEN talk about what to do with the mess they helped create?  No - they just want to create a voting block for them to pander to.

The whole thing is a JOKE that is being done for the cameras.  In two or three years Rubio will be campaigning for President saying look what I tried to do for you.....  please vote for me......  because that is ALSO something they can probably already do.
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2013, 09:42:04 PM »

Nobody is going to ask for a ride back to Mexico. Other than securing the border, your solutions will not work.Enforce the law against hiring illegals, millions out of work. Don't give illegals welfare, millions of illegal thieves,etc. This is a battle that cannot be won, simply because the government will not enforce the laws that are already in place. "They" are here, and here they will stay. What is your solution? Not pie in the sky, something that will really work.
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2013, 09:50:44 PM »

The solution to any problem is to first fix the root cause.   

We have not secured our borders so any deport efforts will result in folks just returning.

I agree with penalties against folks that violate our laws.   These penalties should be against both these businesses and these individuals here illegally.
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Re: Immigration
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2013, 10:08:07 PM »

If the border is not secure, everything else is just chin music.
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Re: Immigration
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2013, 08:01:13 AM »

If the border is not secure, everything else is just chin music.

And why do we need a secure border?
It's not just the illegal Mexican's...

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Re: Immigration
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2013, 08:36:46 AM »

Secure the border.  Simple.

Enforce existing laws.  Simple.

Pass additional laws to further securing the border and enforcing existing laws.

All this amnesty will do is "fix" the problem by legitimizing people who have no respect for our laws and our country.  It will REWARD the wrong behaviors.  It will EMBOLDEN more people to head north.

Secure the borders, enforce existing laws that say you can't employ people who legally can't work in this country, and be ready to react to what happens next.
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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2013, 08:45:39 PM »

Would this make Rubio a flip - flopper, or is he consistent because he said to secure the border and this bill doesn't do that?

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In an interview on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show on Tuesday night, Republican Florida Sen. Marco Rubio indicated that he would not support the “Gang of Eight” immigration bill he had helped author unless it is changed.

Earlier in the day, Rubio had said that immigration reform was still short of the 60 votes it needs to pass the Senate. (OPINION: Immigration questions House conservatives should ask Rubio)

“Well, let me first say that the news of what I said today on Fox about there not being the 60 votes: Actually, Sen. [Robert] Menendez of New Jersey, a Democrat, said the same thing last week,” Rubio said. “And that’s a fact. And the reason why is because while there’s a group, well, the majority of our colleagues are prepared to do immigration reform, they’re only prepared to do it if we ensure that this illegal immigration problem never happens again.”



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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2013, 09:00:40 PM »

Nobody so far has proposed anything that will work without SECURE BORDERS! If you can't stop the influx of "undocumented " people, you can never solve the problem. Providing amnesty, or a "path to citizenship" is not solving the problem, it's only turning the head the other way, so the problem no longer exists, therefore not needing a solution.
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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2013, 09:05:23 PM »

Nobody so far has proposed anything that will work without SECURE BORDERS! If you can't stop the influx of "undocumented " people, you can never solve the problem. Providing amnesty, or a "path to citizenship" is not solving the problem, it's only turning the head the other way, so the problem no longer exists, therefore not needing a solution.

Why don't we just absorb Mexico into the United States, make all of them citizens?

How about that?
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