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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2013, 07:43:11 AM »

May 19, 2013 1:51 PM
AP president blasts "unconstitutional" phone records probe



(CBS News) The Associated Press doesn't question the Justice Department's right to have seized two months' worth of its phone records, the organization's president and CEO Gary Pruitt said Sunday on "Face the Nation." It was the methodology - "so sweeping, so secretively, so abusively and harassingly overbroad," he said - that breached the Constitution.
As part of its criminal investigation into who may have leaked information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot in Yemen, the department "issued a secret subpoena for the phone toll records for 21 AP phone lines and these were phones lines for reporters, direct lines, cell phones, home phones but also the office numbers," Pruitt explained. "So over 100, approximately a hundred journalists used these telephone lines as part of newsgathering and over the course of the two months of the records that they swept up, thousands upon thousands of newsgathering calls were made.

"...Under their own rules, they are required to narrow this request as narrowly as possible so as to not tread upon the First Amendment," he went on. "And yet they had a broad, sweeping collection, and they did it secretly. Their rules require them to come to us first but in this case they didn't, claiming an exception, saying that if they had it would have posed a substantial threat to their investigation. But they have not explained why it would and we can't understand why it would."

Pruitt said the AP acted "responsibly," holding the story for five days upon receiving guidance from the intelligence community that it posed a national security risk.

It was important for the American public to know about the CIA operation that thwarted an al Qaeda plot to detonate a bomb aboard a U.S.-bound airplane, he continued, because "the Department of Homeland security were telling the American public that there was no credible evidence of a terrorist plot related to the anniversary of the killing Of Osama bin Laden." That characterization was "misleading."
A call from a Washington, D.C. district attorney last week notified the AP of the subpoenaed phone records, Pruitt said. Since then, he added, "officials that would normally talk to us, and people we talk to in the normal course of newsgathering, are already saying they're a little reluctant to talk to us; they fear that they will be monitored by the government.
"...The government has no business having control over all, monitoring all of this newsgathering information from the Associated Press," he continued. "And if they restrict that apparatus, you're right - the people of the United States will only know what the government wants them to know and that's not what the framers of the Constitution had in mind when they wrote the First Amendment."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57585213/ap-president-blasts-unconstitutional-phone-records-probe/
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2013, 08:55:36 AM »

It appears that DOJ also targeted Fox News' James Rosen.   I wonder how many reporter's phones have been tapped by this administration?

A rare peek into a Justice Department leak probe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-rare-peek-into-a-justice-department-leak-probe/2013/05/19/0bc473de-be5e-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html


When the Justice Department began investigating possible leaks of classified information about North Korea in 2009, investigators did more than obtain telephone records of a working journalist suspected of receiving the secret material.

They used security badge access records to track the reporter’s comings and goings from the State Department, according to a newly obtained court affidavit. They traced the timing of his calls with a State Department security adviser suspected of sharing the classified report. They obtained a search warrant for the reporter’s personal e-mails.

The case of Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, the government adviser, and James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent for Fox News, bears striking similarities to a sweeping leaks investigation disclosed last week in which federal investigators obtained records over two months of more than 20 telephone lines assigned to the Associated Press.

At a time when President Obama’s administration is under renewed scrutiny for an unprecedented number of leak investigations, the Kim case provides a rare glimpse into the inner workings of one such probe.

Court documents in the Kim case reveal how deeply investigators explored the private communications of a working journalist — and raise the question of how often journalists have been investigated as closely as Rosen was in 2010. The case also raises new concerns among critics of government secrecy about the possible stifling effect of these investigations on a critical element of press freedom: the exchange of information between reporters and their sources.

“Search warrants like these have a severe chilling effect on the free flow of important information to the public,” said First Amendment lawyer Charles Tobin, who has represented the Associated Press, but not in the current case. “That’s a very dangerous road to go down.”
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2013, 10:39:54 AM »

Fox reporting justice dept used excuse that Rosen was involved in a criminal conspiracy to get the warrant.. who is the criminal here?
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2013, 08:00:44 PM »

While I still find this stuff wrong I can't help but wonder about the hyena's that pushed for it when Bush was President yet now find it deplorable.  I remember well some of the exact same posters saying "if you don't have anything to hide then you don't have to worry". 

Now it is just another pick on Obama because they refuse to legislate.  Oh well.
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2013, 08:03:42 PM »

WAAAAH!
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2013, 08:18:32 PM »

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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2013, 08:25:21 PM »

As a matter of fact, I am quite mature. May fall off the earth any day!
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2013, 09:55:03 PM »


This drip, drip, drip approach is a really bad strategy.

DOJ's secret subpoena of AP phone records broader than initially revealed

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/20/.UZquzBlR7wU.twitter

The Justice Department’s secret subpoena for AP phone records included the seizure of records for five reporters' cellphones and three home phones as well as two fax lines, a lawyer for the news organization tells NBC News.

David Schulz, the chief lawyer for the AP, said the subpoenas also covered the records for 21 phone lines in five AP office lines -- including one for a dead phone line at  office in Washington that had been shut down six years ago. The phone lines at four other offices – where  100 reporters worked — were also covered by the subpoenas, Schulz said.

Although AP had given general information about the subpoenas last week, it provided new details Monday about the number of cell and home phone records as it considers possible legal action against the Justice Department.

Schultz said the subpoena for a Washington phone line that had been shut down years ago raises questions about assertions by Deputy Attorney General James Cole, in a letter last week, that the subpoenas were narrowly crafted and only issued after a "comprehensive investigation" that included over 550 interviews and reviewing tens of thousands of documents.
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2013, 10:25:39 PM »

That's OK, no problem.
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2013, 11:04:00 PM »

The Left thinks this is okay as long as D's are in charge... 

Heck what is the AP thinking? 
They look like a bunch of nosy reporters trying to find out what is going...   

Don't they know this is the "Transparent" regime  8*
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2013, 01:58:36 PM »

I am still trying to understand why the AP story came to light.   Any ideas?

Here is the best explanation that I have seen so far:



'Press freedom eroding': DOJ slammed for search warrant against 'spying' Fox reporter

http://rt.com/usa/fox-investigated-us-journalists-562/

The crackdown is intended to “scare... anybody who dares to stand up to the party line, to the agenda line. And this isn’t just the Obama administration. It was the previous administration, and it will be the next administration it’s out of control government. It’s hubris at its worst. And it’s going continue to erode the freedom of this country,” McGrath concluded.
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2013, 02:08:59 PM »

I am shocked.

Sharyl Attkisson's computers compromised

more at:  http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/sharyl-attkissons-computers-compromised-164456.html

Sharyl Attkisson, the Emmy-award winning CBS News investigative reporter, says that her personal and work computers have been compromised and are under investigation.

"I can confirm that an intrusion of my computers has been under some investigation on my end for some months but I'm not prepared to make an allegation against a specific entity today as I've been patient and methodical about this matter," Attkisson told POLITICO on Tuesday. "I need to check with my attorney and CBS to get their recommendations on info we make public."

In an earlier interview with WPHT Philadelphia, Attkisson said that though she did not know the full details of the intrustion, "there could be some relationship between these things and what's happened to James [Rosen]," the Fox News reporter who became the subject of a Justice Dept. investigation after reporting on CIA intelligence about North Korea in 2009.
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2013, 02:12:45 PM »

At least the DOJ isn't focusing their spying on just ONE member of the press.  They are spreading it around.
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Re: The Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2013, 10:43:44 PM »

Fox News now reporting that Obama regime spied on many many employees at the broadcasting business.  I think it is quite clear that the obama gang hated Fox news.  Taped private emails and private cell phones of many people.
The schitt is going to fly now.
Fox is going to be relentless.
The Chicago gang is going to be sorry they messed with Fox to this extent.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2013, 10:59:44 PM »

Fox News now reporting that Obama regime spied on many many employees at the broadcasting business.  I think it is quite clear that the obama gang hated Fox news.  Taped private emails and private cell phones of many people.
The schitt is going to fly now.
Fox is going to be relentless.
The Chicago gang is going to be sorry they messed with Fox to this extent.

I wonder how many FOIA requests have been issued in the last few weeks by reporters because of these disclosures.
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