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Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« on: June 14, 2013, 02:40:56 PM »

After reading the latest Jefferson Community Sinking Fund Forum the numbers just don't add up.

According to the Jefferson District informational (http://www.jefferson.k12.mi.us/files/_pHISd_/9eaf1ebbaae83b433745a49013852ec4/Community_Forums.pdf) Page 8.
the District receives a per pupil funding of $7870.00.

However upon further investigation the Jefferson District actually receives $11,030.00 per pupil. These figure come directly from the State of Michigan Senate Fiscal Agency.
http://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/Departments/DataCharts/DCk12_FoundationHistory.pdf               Page 23.

 How can there be such a great discrepancy of $3160.00?

Per-Pupil Foundation Allowance Ten-Year History for Schools*
FYs 2003-04 through 2012-13
District                                         FY '11-12
DUNDEE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS       $6,966
IDA PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT        $6,966
JEFFERSON SCHOOLS (MONROE)     $11,030
MASON CONSOLIDATED SCHOOLS   $6,966
SUMMERFIELD SCHOOLS                 $6,966
WHITEFORD AGRICULTURAL            $6,966
NEW BEDFORD ACADEMY                $6,966
TRIUMPH ACADEMY                         $7,110

My vote is NO, they wasted their fund equity.


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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2013, 03:03:58 PM »

After reading the latest Jefferson Community Sinking Fund Forum the numbers just don't add up.

According to the Jefferson District informational (http://www.jefferson.k12.mi.us/files/_pHISd_/9eaf1ebbaae83b433745a49013852ec4/Community_Forums.pdf) Page 8.
the District receives a per pupil funding of $7870.00.

However upon further investigation the Jefferson District actually receives $11,030.00 per pupil. These figure come directly from the State of Michigan Senate Fiscal Agency.
http://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/Departments/DataCharts/DCk12_FoundationHistory.pdf               Page 23.

 How can there be such a great discrepancy of $3160.00?

Per-Pupil Foundation Allowance Ten-Year History for Schools*
FYs 2003-04 through 2012-13
District                                         FY '11-12
DUNDEE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS       $6,966
IDA PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT        $6,966
JEFFERSON SCHOOLS (MONROE)     $11,030
MASON CONSOLIDATED SCHOOLS   $6,966
SUMMERFIELD SCHOOLS                 $6,966
WHITEFORD AGRICULTURAL            $6,966
NEW BEDFORD ACADEMY                $6,966
TRIUMPH ACADEMY                         $7,110

My vote is NO, they wasted their fund equity.
Appears you are correct. Something doesn't seem right.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2013, 07:45:06 AM »

Curious what happened in 2003 to lower their funding what appears 3,000 per pupil with their "in house" figures?

This shows a lack of planning from the board if they haven't been upgrading and replacing common items that must be replaced, like roofs boilers.   It's amazing that the "rich" school spent all their money without thinking of those things!

Poor schools like Ida have been doing this for years...   It's called fiscal (common sense) planning. 

Getting nearly 4 thousand more per student?  and they can't afford maintenance and already had a special millage for their rec center.

The other things from the home cooked report -
they realize declining enrollment, which causes other issues - hopefully they will realize how to deal with.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2013, 09:01:08 AM »

Why are they getting so much more than other districts?
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2013, 09:07:53 AM »

As the title states...the numbers don't add up.

Looks like an easy lead for a reporter to investigate...if only the MEN had one.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2013, 02:06:59 PM »

I will be disappointed if the local paper does not put a little bit of time in this and investigate, and publish at least one report.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2013, 11:34:12 PM »

Why are they getting so much more than other districts?
Before Prop A they had funds from FERMI  (DTE rate payers)

They still got increases, and remain well above the rest of the schools at the minimum per pupil funding. 

It appears they don't study HISTORY or can't recall what happened to Mason schools years ago. 
They went through the same cycle:  Get a power plant - Woo Hoo We are Rich - spend a lot,  then get in trouble unable to maintain your salaries & buildings, as the depreciation occurs.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 09:04:55 AM »

You are absolutely correct Prof H.

The Jefferson School Board is derelict in its duties. Take a look at ALL the Monroe County Districts, they have been managing to provide educational services wheather by privatization or ? all the while receiving over $3000.00 less per student.

In 2002 a group of fiscally responsible citizens tired of the graft, corruption and mismanagement beat down a 13 mill renewal on homestead property as well as several other attempts.

Continued mismanagement is a disqualification for Jefferson to receive more of my hard earned money.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 09:19:27 AM »

You are absolutely correct Prof H.

The Jefferson School Board is derelict in its duties. Take a look at ALL the Monroe County Districts, they have been managing to provide educational services wheather by privatization or ? all the while receiving over $3000.00 less per student.

In 2002 a group of fiscally responsible citizens tired of the graft, corruption and mismanagement beat down a 13 mill renewal on homestead property as well as several other attempts.

Continued mismanagement is a disqualification for Jefferson to receive more of my hard earned money.
That same group needs to run for seats on the board to see if the problem is management style/direction...

A thankless job - that needs good educated people, willing to do more than rubber stamp...   
Tough decisions need to be made, and it could very well be that part of their problems are previous admin decisions - but there are solutions out there.   
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2013, 09:24:32 AM »

They did and won two seats, built a coalition to obtain a majority and then were recalled by the Jefferson employees / MEA for trying to balance the budget to incoming revenue, firing inept employees, uncovering blatant theft. I heard it is still going on today!
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 10:33:27 AM »

From 2001:
Cut in Fermi tax value trims revenues $3.3M

Under a deal brokered last week between Frenchtown Township and Detroit Edison officials, the value of the Fermi II nuclear was cut $72 million, leaving tax coffers across the county to make up about $3.3 million in lost revenue next year.

But a spokesman for Detroit Edison said this year's relatively small devaluation is probably the first of several to come. That should serve as a warning to government officials from South Rockwood to Ottawa Lake that the county's electric gravy train may be about to derail.

“We always take a look at our assessments every year, like every property owner, and talk with the taxing units,” Detroit Edison spokesman Guy Cerullo said. “We'll be looking closely at the Fermi II assessment next year and probably the year after that.”

Mr. Cerullo said the 1,139-megawatt Fermi II plant accounts for about 12 to 15 percent of the utility's generation capacity. Even though it was built beginning in 1979 and began generating electricity in 1988, “it's still a valuable part of the generating assets of the company, in terms of the power we get.”

The value of the plant in 1999 was calculated at $733,077,200. In 2000 that figure dropped to $721,267,300, township records show. Much of that $12 million loss was attributed to depreciation.

For 2001 the figure was set at $649,209,200. The 45.4 mills of property tax assessed on that figure will be collected next year.

Frenchtown Township supervisor Jim Spas gave credit to the utility for moving slowly in its efforts to lower the plant's property tax liability, thereby allowing local governments to make up any revenue losses in other ways.

“They've got a grave concern” that the plant is overvalued, Mr. Spas said. Elected officials have known about that concern for many years and should be prepared, the Frenchtown Township supervisor said.

“I know the handwriting is on the wall. The handwriting was on the wall years ago,” Mr. Spas said.

Tax losses from the devaluation will be spread over a number of different taxing agencies, based on the varying amounts of millage they levy against the plant. They range from a loss of $17,150 in revenue to Lake Erie Transit's bus operation in Frenchtown Township to more than $1.3 million less that Jefferson Schools will receive. Those losses will be felt next year, when the taxes on this year's assessment are collected.

In total, the $72 million devaluation will save Detroit Edison nearly $3.3 million in property taxes, county records show.

Some of those losses will be made up by growth in other areas, including Frenchtown Township. Mr. Spas said the taxable value in his jurisdiction, despite the $72 million loss from Edison, will drop just $12 million.

More than one-third of the county's $4.7 billion in taxable value rests with just 10 firms. And the largest, Detroit Edison, owns more than 27 per cent of all the taxable value in the county in its two power plants, the coal-burning generating plant in Monroe and the Fermi II Nuclear Power Plant in Frenchtown Township, as well as its power distribution system.

While the taxable value of Fermi II continues to decline, there is little chance the same will happen to the utility's Monroe coal plant. Nationally, the value of coal-fired electric plants has risen sharply, County equalization director Beth Ann Choate said.

Mrs. Choate warned county commissioners several years ago of a trend among utilities nationally to successfully challenge the assessed values of their nuclear plants, like Fermi II. Although Detroit Edison didn't initially follow the industry lead, Mrs. Choate's warning probably saved the county budget from hemorrhaging red ink.

The county board of commissioners began socking away money more than 10 years ago, thanks to conservative spending and taxation estimates. It's left the county with a rainy day fund approaching $8 million, county administrator Charlie Londo said.

Mr. Londo said the devaluation would likely mean a retooling of the 2002-2003 budgets but that much of the loss to county coffers could likely be made up in other developments, such as those in Dundee.

County Commissioner David Scott warned Bedford Township officials earlier this month that the fiscal threat posed by a further devaluation of Fermi could mean the county will no longer be able to afford its 80 percent share of the cost of “contract” deputies.

Mr. Scott told the township, which pays 20 percent of the costs for six deputies to patrol Bedford Township, that it should prepare contingency plans if the county finds itself unable to keep its commitments.
http://www.toledoblade.com/Michigan/2001/03/22/Cut-in-Fermi-tax-value-trims-revenues-3-3M.html

The high numbers in the PDF from the OP just doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure if the state has lied or if Jefferson has lied.
I sure wish someone in the media would investigate since it doesn't appear anyone in-the-know seems willing to provide answers.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 08:55:45 PM »

another document that states in 2003  Jefferson was getting 11, 160 per pupil for funding
(also noted: they were the top 6th in per pupil funding)
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Increase in School Districts’ Per Pupil Foundation Allowances Under Proposal A
Ranked by FY 03 Foundation Allowance


Code    School District Name    94Base  2003  $increase  %
49020 Bois Blanc Pines School District 13,734 15,395 1,661 12.1%
42030 Grant Township Schools 10,681 12,341 1,660 15.5%
63080 Bloomfield Hills School District 10,294 11,954 1,660 16.1%
63010 Birmingham City School District 10,217 11,877 1,660 16.2%
49110 Mackinac Island Pub Schools 9,594 11,254 1,660 17.3%
58080 Jefferson Schools-Monroe Co. 9,500 11,160 1,660 17.5%


From Page 41 in the document that gave projections for FY 2003...
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/propa_3172_7.pdf
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 01:22:01 AM »

Thank you M.E.N. for looking into the story:

State School Aid Bumped Up, But Districts Say Times Tough

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The majority of districts in Monroe County will receive $7,026 a student for the 2013-14 school year, which is a $60 increase from this academic year.

In addition, districts will receive a one-time “equity” payment of up to $50 a student.

BPS Chief Financial Officer Sharon Ramirez said the budget news is welcomed and will help the district, but not pull it out of deficit.

“When I first talked in May, I was projecting a $34 increase in the foundation allowance,” she said. “We also thought we would get $16 for ‘best practices.’ ” Districts that qualify could receive an additional $52 a student “best practice” incentive if seven of eight requirements are met.

The district is projecting its revenue will be $37,981,349 with expenses coming in at $38,407,553.

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Jefferson Schools approved its budget for 2013-14 Monday. It did not include the Naval Junior ROTC program.

In addition to the elimination of NJROTC, Jefferson Schools is eliminating a part-time business position, not replacing one of its teachers who retired and changing to part-time teachers for its preschool program.

Supt. Craig Haugen said additional savings will be seen with the replacement of six teachers who retired.

Jefferson is a “hold harmless” district and receives more money per pupil than the remainder of the districts in Monroe County. Hold harmless districts are allowed to levy additional mills to make up the difference between the state maximum foundation allowance and the combined state and local revenue per pupil the district had received previously.

The state is increasing Jefferson’s per-pupil payment by $30 a student for a total of $7,908 a student. It also will receive an additional $18 for hold harmless. However, each district in the state is required to pay an additional $43 a student for retirement costs.

“It’s a net increase of $5 for us,” Mr. Haugen said. “That means we will be getting an additional $9,900 for next year.” #Jefferson is projecting its 2013-14 revenue to be $19,773,496 with expenses projected at $20,751,621.

Jefferson is anticipating to overspend $978,125, which will be borrowed from its fund equity.

At the end of 2013-14, Jefferson is projecting a fund equity balance of about $3.1 million.

School districts are still making up for the revenue loss experienced a few years back when the state slashed per-pupil aid significantly.

“Any little bit is helpful but the state is not doing enough to have an impact on local districts,” Mr. Haugen said. “We are all still struggling.”

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/jun/23/state-school-aid-bumped-districts-say-times-tough/
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 09:45:51 AM »

The numbers still don't seem to add up on what Jefferson gets per pupil...

The article say's the State provides 7,908 per pupil

Yet FY 11-12 reports show
JEFFERSON SCHOOLS (MONROE)     $11,030

I'm thinking the way they both speak are correct:

It's the way you present your facts and figures:

The State only provides that amount,  7,908
however the district levee's additional to make up for the higher amounts
They just don't tell you how much that really is...  but it likely is about 3k per pupil

That is the only logical explanation for the difference in figures being used.
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Jefferson is a “hold harmless” district and receives more money per pupil than the remainder of the districts in Monroe County. Hold harmless districts are allowed to levy additional mills to make up the difference between the state maximum foundation allowance and the combined state and local revenue per pupil the district had received previously.
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Re: Jefferson Sinking Fund numbers don't add up.
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2013, 10:05:11 AM »

The numbers still don't seem to add up on what Jefferson gets per pupil...

The article say's the State provides 7,908 per pupil

Yet FY 11-12 reports show
JEFFERSON SCHOOLS (MONROE)     $11,030

I'm thinking the way they both speak are correct:

It's the way you present your facts and figures:

The State only provides that amount,  7,908
however the district levee's additional to make up for the higher amounts
They just don't tell you how much that really is...  but it likely is about 3k per pupil

That is the only logical explanation for the difference in figures being used.

 But it also states they only get $18 more for "Hold Harmless"  I really would like the answer between these amount before I have to vote!!! If anyone can help, please do!
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