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[sullivan]

Wow!  I read in today's MEN that a "Possible" (my terms, not the MEN) candidate for council or Mayor stated that "...he believed that the city could save money if the fire department were not first responders to emergencies.  He said their job should be to fight fires."
  Again:  WOW!!!  If this is the type of leadership you want to lead your community, then shame on you if you vote for him.  If you want to take a chance of waiting 10-15 minutes for any type of emergency medical care, then have at it.
  I guess the income brought in by the fire department transporting is not counted anywhere, so it can be wiped out and never talked about again.  So, no problem there.  And, I guess Monroe would have no problem being on the second fire department in Monroe County that is not a first responder, much less being Advanced life services.  So, take your pick:  3 minute response for an ambulance (according to Clem Hess Vice President of city firefighters union), or 10-15 minute wait for one from who knows where, with no other help at all.

I have always resented "scare tactics " to sway peoples minds as " election rhetoric"  and until I see "solid figures" as to the number of lives that were lost before our firemen undertook the primary role of being first responders and gave us this" superior ambulance service "( we can no longer afford )  they tout as being better then the rest of the county ( which by the way is where they choose to live,obviously puting their own families in jeopardy .)

It is my personal belief that before our firemen became first responders and ambulance personel that the period
 prior to that was not any more of a hazardous time then now.

They say they respond in a few minutes as opposed to several minutes by the county service but they think we must not be able to determine that the county service takes in a lot larger geographic area of response then the city limit area.

The statement has been made that they are a revenue producing department with their billing out of medical treatment but I believe a a lot of these medical bills fall into the area of being uncollectable like court appointed attorney fees .

 Call the billing department of Mercy Memorial and ask them how much medical debt they have to write off as being uncollectable ( are we being led to believe the fire department is more successful then a private agency in collecting bills owed to and I remind ALL : to the taxpaying citizens of Monroe.
   

As I continue to ask questions , I am finding that the firefighters fellow City of Monroe employees are some of the biggest critics of the fire department being over staffed. Why would they say that unless they know something we don't??

I'm all for the fire fighters but their medical treatment should be as a police officer would give first aid and not as a charge of their position to be first responders when we can't afford to have them in that capacity any longer.

I see alot of people being protectionist and making critical statements but not coming up with solutions other then to stay on the same destructive raise taxes and forget the infratructure and capital improvement course we are on.

I will discuss my concerns and solutions with Clem Hess Chief Bert  or anyone else that truly wants to balance our overly in the red check book.

I remind you all that are concerned about this topic . Ed Sell reported last night that IF ALL the recomendations of the OperationalmAssessment were followed , we would still be over a million dollars out of whack with being financially healthy . He used some very conservative figures that I believe will not be factual regarding propert tax growth next year being 2.5% and only a 7 % shrinkage in revenue sharing from the state. Property values and applicable taxes will stay flat or decrease next year and the state will give us less money then projected because they are trying to balance their budget to.

If there is an easier way --Please come forward at the next council meeting and tell us all a better game plan. 
 
 J. Pat Mc Elligott       

[lordfly]

Sometimes taxes are necessary.

Spoken like a non taxpayer!
Have you even moved back to Monroe yet? If so, are you renting or buying?

What does it matter? If you want services like road, garbage collection, fire department, and so on, someone has to pay for it. Nothing is free.

If you don't want to pay for it, move to a community that doesn't have any of these things.

[lordfly]

What does it matter? If you want services like road, garbage collection, fire department, and so on, someone has to pay for it. Nothing is free.

If you don't want to pay for it, move to a community that doesn't have any of these things.

A non resident, non taxpayer telling a taxpaying resident to move if I don't want to pay! I do pay for it right now. Once you step into the real world of house payments, insurance and taxes, you may change your tune.

*rolls eyes*

Thanks Dad, I'll keep it in mind while I pay my rent, car, insurance, and all the other things grownups do.

Can you hear me from your high horse, or what?

[lordfly]

*rolls eyes*

Thanks Dad, I'll keep it in mind while I pay my rent, car, insurance, and all the other things grownups do.

Can you hear me from your high horse, or what?

Too bad you don't have to add property taxes and a house payment with maintenance costs and homeowners insurance to your grownup list. Add a college education for your kids also. Possibly then you may think intelligently before you speak of raising the taxes which you take for granted, simply because you don't pay any.
There may soon be many unemployed factory workers in this area, and many who may not be able to afford their current tax bills, much less higher ones. Maybe your landlord should just double your rent, or maybe your car insurance company could double your car insurance, just to improve their own lives. I would think that your grownup response would be one of complaining then.
[/quote]

Or perhaps you should have thought before purchasing a house obviously way outside your means to pay for it. Or perhaps you should have given yourself a financial analysis before you went and had 3 kids. Or maybe you should have done the minimum of research to find a place to move to that didn't have "outrageous" taxes.

The blame game is a fun one to play, isn't it?

People in glass houses, etc. etc...

[Larry]

Wow!  I read in today's MEN that a "Possible" (my terms, not the MEN) candidate for council or Mayor stated that "...he believed that the city could save money if the fire department were not first responders to emergencies.  He said their job should be to fight fires."
  Again:  WOW!!!  If this is the type of leadership you want to lead your community, then shame on you if you vote for him.  If you want to take a chance of waiting 10-15 minutes for any type of emergency medical care, then have at it.
  I guess the income brought in by the fire department transporting is not counted anywhere, so it can be wiped out and never talked about again.  So, no problem there.  And, I guess Monroe would have no problem being on the second fire department in Monroe County that is not a first responder, much less being Advanced life services.  So, take your pick:  3 minute response for an ambulance (according to Clem Hess Vice President of city firefighters union), or 10-15 minute wait for one from who knows where, with no other help at all.

I read the same article and I know of the person who made the statement.  That is typical thinking for him.  His thinking is distorted at best.  He is not Mayor material nor is he someone you would want to trust.  He is cunning and manipulative.  He has been in and out of the court system and jail system.  He always twists things around for his own "agenda".   Be ware!

[the nosh]

might i ask...who is this person you speak of??

[sullivan]

might i ask...who is this person you speak of??

I believe Larry is refering to me but then he or she does not have answers relating to the city of Monroe's problems so they have to make false self serving accusations to attack my character.
 
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years in the Monroe County area.

If I had the kind of problems that" Larry the Liar" asserts I would not be able to continue my licensing in the State of Michigan in such high profile and in such fiduciary capacity as my profession entail.

There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.)

If Larry perceives to know me so well then he/ she will know that I ran as a candidate for Precict # 3 in the last election and although I was defeated , I garnered 42% of the votes and lost to a 12 year incumbent without any endorsements from unions the MEN or with very little campaigning.

I guess Larry is not aware that people with a criminal record can't run for public office but then Larry doesn't know a lot about me and feels secure like so many cowards do in taking their shots directed at others in the safe shadows of anonymity ( reminds me of the snipers in the Washington DC / Virginia area a few years back that made an area tremble in fear until they were caught.)

Well Larry---This candidate for mayor does not live in fear of anything that you or anyone else can assert because it will never be given credibility with your real identity .

We have problems within our city government that need to be addressed and they need to be addressed with Honesty-Sensitivity & Full Disclosure .

Agenda -Shirking Responsibilty and not being a team player with the best interest of the Citizens of Monroe at heart  ( specifically the ones paying the bills ) will not be embraced by my administration and an emphasis on bringing us back to a community to move to not away from ( as many of our employees have done.)

My emphasis will be to implement the unbias Operational Assessment in as many areas as feasible and to brainstorm with council, dept. heads , business owners ,residents ,  employees and others seeking to be inclusive to our reincarnation as a key part of being strong and solvent and a city to be proud .Solvency -Restoration of I                 

[Ms Sporty]

might i ask...who is this person you speak of??

I believe Larry is refering to me but then he or she does not have answers relating to the city of Monroe's problems so they have to make false self serving accusations to attack my character.
 
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years in the Monroe County area.

If I had the kind of problems that" Larry the Liar" asserts I would not be able to continue my licensing in the State of Michigan in such high profile and in such fiduciary capacity as my profession entail.

There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.)

If Larry perceives to know me so well then he/ she will know that I ran as a candidate for Precict # 3 in the last election and although I was defeated , I garnered 42% of the votes and lost to a 12 year incumbent without any endorsements from unions the MEN or with very little campaigning.

I guess Larry is not aware that people with a criminal record can't run for public office but then Larry doesn't know a lot about me and feels secure like so many cowards do in taking their shots directed at others in the safe shadows of anonymity ( reminds me of the snipers in the Washington DC / Virginia area a few years back that made an area tremble in fear until they were caught.)

Well Larry---This candidate for mayor does not live in fear of anything that you or anyone else can assert because it will never be given credibility with your real identity .

We have problems within our city government that need to be addressed and they need to be addressed with Honesty-Sensitivity & Full Disclosure .

Agenda -Shirking Responsibilty and not being a team player with the best interest of the Citizens of Monroe at heart  ( specifically the ones paying the bills ) will not be embraced by my administration and an emphasis on bringing us back to a community to move to not away from ( as many of our employees have done.)

My emphasis will be to implement the unbias Operational Assessment in as many areas as feasible and to brainstorm with council, dept. heads , business owners ,residents ,  employees and others seeking to be inclusive to our reincarnation as a key part of being strong and solvent and a city to be proud .Solvency -Restoration of I                 

Pat,
I wouldn't worry about it. I think most decent people just ignore posters like the so called "Larry". Most don't respect or listen to people who make negative comments about people, especially when they do not use their real name. They must have something to hide. I respect you because you are honest and speak your mind with the research. Those other candidates are probably reading these posts and having their buddies do the dirty work. Or it could actually be one of them. 

[sullivan]

might i ask...who is this person you speak of??

I believe Larry is refering to me, but then he or she ,does not have answers relating to the city of Monroe's problems so they have to make false self serving accusations to attack my character.
 
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years serving clients  in the Monroe County area.

If I had the kind of problems that" Larry the Liar" asserts I would not be able to continue my licensing in the State of Michigan in such a  high profile and in such a  fiduciary capacity as my profession entails to the public.

There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.)

If Larry perceives to know me so well then he/ she will know that I ran as a candidate for Precict # 3 in the last election and although I was defeated , I garnered 42% of the votes and lost to a 12 year incumbent without any endorsements from unions the MEN or with very little campaigning.

I guess Larry is not aware that people with a criminal record can't run for public office but then Larry doesn't know a lot about me and feels secure like so many cowards do in taking their shots directed at others in the safe shadows of anonymity ( reminds me of the snipers in the Washington DC / Virginia area a few years back that made an area tremble in fear until they were caught.)

Well Larry---This candidate for mayor does not live in fear of anything that you or anyone else can assert or accuse  because it will never be given credibility with your real identity and agenda .

We have problems within our city government that need to be addressed and they need to be addressed with Honesty-Sensitivity & Full Disclosure .

Agenda -Shirking Responsibilty and not being a team player with the best interest of the Citizens of Monroe at heart  ( specifically the ones paying the bills ) will not be embraced by my administration and an emphasis on bringing us back to a community to move to not away from ( as many of our employees have done.)

My emphasis will be to implement the unbias Operational Assessment in as many areas as feasible and to brainstorm with council, dept. heads , business owners ,residents ,  employees and others seeking to be inclusive to our reincarnation as a key part of being strong and solvent and a city to be proud .

Solvency -Restoration of Infrastructure  & Capital Improvement ( Without raising taxes ) will be my priority and the priority that I hope anyone elected or otherwise will also prioritize.

Last I would like to THANK Larry for giving me the platform to explain more to this forum of who I am and what I am about!!!

 If anyone has questions relating to my personal business or character please don't be a coward like Larry who hides in the darkness where TRUTH is never revealed but extend me the courtesy I believe you would want of your accusers and that is to seek me out in private and in the light of knowing who you are so we can satisfy your curiosity or vendetta.

I'm not hard to find because if you can't locate me , otherwise , I attend more council meetings then some on the  council members currently representing us and have for over two years. I care enough about the City of Monroe to invest my research and time to access our problems--now it is time to do something about them.
 Always in the Light of Honesty I Am .
 J.Pat Mc Elligott                     

[sullivan]

Thanks for the kind words Ms.Sporty and I didn't mean to mess this thread up by double posting my reply but if" Larry the Liar" would have attacked my computer skills , I would have had to plead guilty. LOL!!!

Sometimes when I'm responding or even posting something , I  hit the wrong key which post my reply before I am through.

It's annoying , but then attending council proceedings over the last two years has prepared me
( somewhat )  for annoying things in my life . LOL!!!

I do not mean to imply that we don't have some good leaders on council and I believe all of them think they are doing the right thing , but some have different priorities then I do and the voters will have a clear choice in mayoral candidates this election based on plans not personality or single issues.

Mayor Al  is a good man and although I feel he has faltered as our mayor , he has always been considerate, courteous  and gracious to me and everyone else even when at times it was very hard to see how he took the abuse that was unwarranted .

I appreciate your concern for our city and if you are a registered voter in the city , I hope you will exercise your right and voice.

Thanks Again--I enjoy reading your post!!

J. Pat Mc Elligott     

[Larry]

Hello, 

My name is Larry and I will not devuldge any other information about myself because Pat is a sociopath and I know his MO is to retaliate when someone exposes him for who he is.

I was directed to this web site by a couple of people who are aquainted with Pat.  I have known of him for years but have choosen not to be involved in his psycotic world.  After reading some of his posts, I thought I would inform people of what kind of person they were considering for Mayor.  If you choose to ignore what I have said, so be it.  Your mistake.

As for my reply to J. Pat or Sullivan,  and this is only for him...

"Quote'
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years serving clients  in the Monroe County area.  "Unquote"

Many people of higher level job positions than yours are crooks and socially enept, get over yourself.     You are your worst enemy and your biggest fan.  You have no Ethics, Honesty or Charcter!  I have no doubt you are good at your profession.  You have a way with words, sometimes, and that is what dazzels people.  As I read your posts, I realize if I didn't know what you were really about, I could be fooled too.

"Ouote"
There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.) "Unquote"

What chacter?  You have been in jail many times.  Domestic violence, Misuse of a Communication Device, etc...  Those crimes are not on a felony level though.  A felony is what would keep you from being functional in the political scene.  You have been through the court system many times since moving to Monroe.  "You" are the liar.  You are misleading people with "charm" and with a fake facade perhaps for selfish reasons.  It appears you have followers/victims.  This smacks of the Jim Jones tradgy. 

You never act or preform without an agenda.  I don't know what it is, but I can surely speculate that there is an agenda and it is self-serving.   Skating just under the protection of the law is what you do best.  You know the in's and out's of law and you use it to your benefit, or detriment. 

You have a grandiose sense of self and feel entitled to certain things as "your right."  You have a lack of remorse, shame or guilt and you "get by" by conning others.  I am sorry for you and the people who become your victims. 

Larry

[utility slug]

Getting kind of nasty here.   Maybe it's time to ease off a bit, boys.

[the nosh]

ohhhhhhhh nooooooooooo slugger!!! the fun is just starting!!! 

[utility slug]

Alrighty then, let's get after it.

[sullivan]

Alrighty then, let's get after it.

I've never run from responsibility or a fight worth fighting in my life , but" Larry the Liar" still chooses to take his shots at my character from his /her cowardly seat in the shadows so I ask , how can I respond or defend myself when I'm boxing shadows that are afraid of being exposed to the Truth.

This thread is about the city of Monroe's problems and some would like to play the dirty politics game and make accusations they KNOW they can't substantiate and even IF there was a hint of TRUTH  to their claims , how does that relate to the financial path of destruction that the city is on??

I had to chuckle a little as to the headline the MEN heralded : The City of Monroe "might " be out of money ( or something to that affect ) .

Even the MEN leadership wants to diminish and skirt the REAL PROBLEM  here folks just as Larry is trying to divert your attention regarding my agenda.

The City of Monroe IS OUT of money and is spending more then they are taking in , that relates to being" broke" in my books.

Larry has given me a platform opportunity once more and for any that want to ask me anything, my door is always open and I will be very candid in my comments as I know no other way.

Larry thinks I have an agenda and I do!!!

My agenda I will state once more is to do anything I can do personally to" be a part of a team of persons" that truly want the future of the City of Monroe to be better then it's current condition.

How will I attempt to do this??

I have my own three ( 3 ) C plan that goes like this : Cooperation--Collaboration--Conservation and when negotiating to obtain these goals I believe we may need to Compromise.

For the record though : I will never compromise the overall good of the city and residents and I will certainly never compromise who I am and my responsibility to my clients , peers ,friends and my son.

Thanks for taking your time to read and respond --Now let's roll!!
 
J. Pat Mc Elligott