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Did the PBB disaster in the 70s poison all of Michigan!
« on: March 25, 2014, 08:21:15 PM »

Our youngest daughter has been going through boxes and boxes of old photos I've taken over the years.  Yes, there are lots of them and most of them I could give her all the details just like they were yesterday.

She found one group that she asked me about and for the life of me I can't remember all the details...  I remember being there and I remember taking the pictures but for the life of me I don't remember what all the 'issues' were.

I'm guessing it's in the mid 70s...

The 'key' to someone will be the name of the local motel although Google doesn't find anything.

There are two different pictures of two different signs and I'm 95% sure it says the Shibui Motel.  They had a pool, a trout pond and a driving range.

 I'm guessing we were maybe around Mio.  The ground has some gentle rolling hills.  Maybe as far north as Grayling or even Gaylord but we did spend quite a bit of time around Mio at the time so that's why I'm thinking that area.

There was a big environmental 'demonstration' going on at the time...  Several MSP cars and logs trying to block roads.  There was an ambulance and a trooper treating someone. 

I know it was some kind of environmental issue because one sign we can read says "Why poison our children and grandchildren".  Some of the demonstrators are even hanging someone (a stuffed effigy)!

I know we weren't involved in any way...  I think maybe something we just happened onto.

I don't see The Fuzz or any bras being burned so it's beyond the 60s!!!

My wife is going over the pictures and remembers being with me but she does't recall the 'why and what' of the demonstration either.

I know a few of our MTers spent some time in that area over the years so maybe they'll recall.

I'll get the scanner out and scan a few pictures and post them later.  The picture of MSP cars blocking an entrance is pretty neat.

OK... updated info before I even posted...  We found the Shibui resort on Google... it is in the Mio area.

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I did find the motel on Google maps...  it's about 5 miles north of Mio and just off M-33.  It all matches some of the pictures I have...

just need to figure out the what and why of the demonstration!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/295+W+Miller+Rd/@44.6912613,-84.1409512,17106m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8820850991a783e9:0x605aa4a28ccd8df8
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I suspect you ran across the final chapter of Michigan's largest agricultural disaster.

You must have been in Mio mid 70s.  The State of Michigan constructed a huge clay grave and buried tens of thousands of cattle contaminated with PBB around Mio.




Decades later, PBB contamination suspected in illnesses and deaths
http://www.freep.com/article/20120923/NEWS06/309230153/Toxic-aftermath
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Shibui is North of Mio to the big curve heading towards Lewiston. Instead of turning right on I believe 32, you torn left and head basically towards Grayling. Shibui is on the left and has a japanese theme roof on most of their structures. They used to have a nice grass runway for small aircraft too. It is still there but I couldn't tell you the current name.

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The cattle were buried on  Pennsylvania rd just off of Mt Tom rd. I own 80 acres and a hunting camp just north of their on Bailey rd that goes into Cummins. I remember as a kid seeing the huge pit and I remember the PCB problem of the time.

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We are neighbors.  I own acreage in Aetna Township (Mecosta) for hunting and mushrooms....
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According to the article, PBB's are here in Monroe County in the Raisin River too...

How nice.

Won't be goiing Kayaking anytime soon....
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I suspect you ran across the final chapter of Michigan's largest agricultural disaster.

You must have been in Mio mid 70s.  The State of Michigan constructed a huge clay grave and buried tens of thousands of cattle contaminated with PBB around Mio.


That was it excelsior :) :) :)

Thank you very much.  That jogged my memory and it's all coming back to me now.  I still don't remember 'why' we were there that day though and I doubt you can dig deep enough to figure that one out.

We were young and just married and I had a fancy (for the time anyway) new camera...   a Pentax Spotmatic II...  top end for consumer level photography.  The pictures are all in B&W and I developed my own film and printed my own photos.  So much easier today though!!!

Again, many thanks for the help!
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According to the article, PBB's are here in Monroe County in the Raisin River too...

How nice.

Won't be goiing Kayaking anytime soon....

They're pretty much everywhere Flip...  If there were cattle at your farm back then it's a good possibility they're right in your soil too.
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Shibui is North of Mio to the big curve heading towards Lewiston. Instead of turning right on I believe 32, you torn left and head basically towards Grayling. Shibui is on the left and has a japanese theme roof on most of their structures. They used to have a nice grass runway for small aircraft too. It is still there but I couldn't tell you the current name.

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The cattle were buried on  Pennsylvania rd just off of Mt Tom rd. I own 80 acres and a hunting camp just north of their on Bailey rd that goes into Cummins. I remember as a kid seeing the huge pit and I remember the PCB problem of the time.

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I remember driving by 'the pit' area a few years later.  Not sure why the big focus on Shibui unless that was the headquarters for the demonstrators.  I'll get the pictures scanned and posted and maybe you'll recognize some of the locations.  It seems like we drove a few miles with all this going on around us.  The only location I could really pinpoint with Google streetview was at the entrance to the Shibui resort itself and I can't even be 100% sure on that.  I haven't been back in that area for probably 25 years and plenty can change.
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They're pretty much everywhere Flip...  If there were cattle at your farm back then it's a good possibility they're right in your soil too.

The PBB contaminated feed was given mainly to dairy cows.   PBB was in the food chain for a while before they discovered it.   Everyone that lived in Michigan in the 1970's and consumed milk products or beef likely ingested some level of PBB. 

I think that most all Michiganders are a little more flame resistant.  I wonder if crematorium workers are able to spot us.
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The PBB contaminated feed was given mainly to dairy cows.   PBB was in the food chain for a while before they discovered it.   Everyone that lived in Michigan in the 1970's and consumed milk products or beef likely ingested some level of PBB. 

I think that most all Michiganders are a little more flame resistant.  I wonder if crematorium workers are able to spot us.

I grew up within sight of the Pine River which runs through St. Louis and the plant involved.  There was lots of 'speculation' that their wastes went directly into the river.  In the 50s and 60s all of us neighborhood kids would pretty much live in that river all summer...  swimming...  playing...  fishing...  everything you could do in that water we pretty much did.  By high school I'd pretty much turned my attention to 'other sports' so wasn't in the river then.  The big question of course is how long were they making the fire retardant in the same plant as the animal feed before the 'mixup' occurred?  And then how much longer before it was discovered?  I'm guessing that due to the proximity to Dow Chemical in Midland (right down the Pine River from St. Louis) that Dow probably supplied all or most of the toxic chemical but they were off the hook for the mixed up bags. 

Our youngest was actually born with a birth defect so of course she's taking all this in and starting to ask some questions!!!  She's only been to St. Louis once but my Dad grew up there and both my wife and I grew up on that river :( :( :(  Who knows what ties could be there?
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Sorry to hear about your youngest.

Wow, your experiences bookended this tragedy.

Here is a report with details:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1650578/pdf/amjph00638-0078.pdf

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Sorry to hear about your youngest.

Wow, your experiences bookended this tragedy.

Here is a report with details:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1650578/pdf/amjph00638-0078.pdf


Thank you.... 

she does pretty good in spite of it... 

you get stronger in 'other areas' when you're short in one area! 

My wife and I really never pursued the 'why or how' of what happened...  we just knew she was otherwise healthy and that's all that mattered to us.  Our daughter is 24 now and has just really started to explore some of her background issues.  I had actually kind of forgotten much of this because we weren't directly involved at the time.  My Dad typically had 40-60 head of poled Herefords (beef cattle and many of the affected were dairy cattle) but he raised all of his own food...  even his cows ate organic way back then!

Wouldn't it be 'ironic' if now she could somehow trace her situation back to all of this?
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Ok, got the first 5 photos scanned.  These were a 4x5" print so we had some trouble trying to read the name of the resort.  Much easier to read now.  When we did first try we still didn't have it right and then my wife figured it out right in the middle of me starting my original post.  So went from thinking it was near Mio to knowing right where it was.  I'll play around later and zoom in on some of their protest signs and see if I can figure out what they say.



I'm thinking this is at the entrance to the resort and Google earthview today looks quite similar.



I'm trying to count the number of (marked) MSP cars that were there.  If I recall this protest stretched on over a few miles.  In hindsight this must have been quite an event for that area.  There are two MSP cars here!



4 more here!



I have to explain something about this photo.  I'm sure The Fuzz can sympathize...  My wife has always accused me of somehow manipulating my photos to often include the 'backside' of some unsuspecting young gal...  well, I admit, in this particular case there does happen to be a young gal in the picture (I was only 34-36 at the time so she probably didn't look near as young to me then as she does today) ;) ;) ;)  Anyway, it should be obvious to any true photographer that she just happened to be in the viewfinder and that I was obviously taking a photo of the poor gal that was probably a victim of obvious police brutality...   or maybe got bumped by one of the north country's finest drivers :o :o :o

Looking at the photo again I still have to wonder what she was doing there.  She is way 'over dressed' compared to everyone else in the photo or even the area.  Maybe it was Sunday and she'd just come from church...  or Saturday and she had a hot date in beautiful downtown Mio that night...

or maybe she was off to Camp Grayling to help 'treat the troops' 8) 8) 8)

Anyway, this one, and all the other thousands of gal's backsides that just happened to have ended up in my photos over the years were each and every one 'accidental'...

and I'll swear to that on my deathbed ;D ;D ;D



OK Maverick...   any of this look similar to what it looks like today?

I've got several more I'll scan and post later but I've got to do some running first...

I'll take my camera with me in case a protest breaks out somewhere and a pretty young gal just happens to walk into my photo ;) ;) ;)
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