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Re: Michigan Loses ‘Right To Farm’ This Week
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2014, 03:46:36 PM »

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Re: Michigan Loses ‘Right To Farm’ This Week
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2014, 05:30:24 PM »

Got you Erie!

Monroe just mailed out a brochure to all the residents.

They encouraged us all to be good neighbors - but turning in our neighbors for blight violations.

I'm sure that policy will build a close knit neighborhood for sure!


Saving money - so the police don't have to do blight inspections, while they are cruising the hoods...   waiting for fires and drug dealers to appear before them.
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Re: Michigan Loses ‘Right To Farm’ This Week
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2014, 05:34:43 PM »

Neighbors grass that tall...   Is it a fire hazard?    I'd hate to see hot ashes from a fireplace ignite them  ;D
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Re: Michigan Loses ‘Right To Farm’ This Week
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2014, 05:35:30 PM »

Saving money - so the police don't have to do blight inspections, while they are cruising the hoods...   waiting for fires and drug dealers to appear before them.

Prof,

I always thought the Police should write up Blight as they cruised around town - but alas that falls under the Building Department Chimney - and their giant staff of inspectors - please note sarcasm.
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A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2014, 12:49:08 PM »

The remark about Live was a feeble attempt at humor, and you can see just how feeble it was. Thread title says "Michigan loses right to farm this week" If you actually read the article, nothing could be further from the truth.
As I stated before, and I will state again, the original title from the article was too long to put it all on there, so I used the first part of it, then put the entire title on very first post.

You will be happy to know, thanks to your constant b1tching, that I changed the title to contain only the last part of the original title.

I still maintain that the rights of those who wish to raise their own animals (which is STILL considered farming) for food has the possibility of being removed, is not a good thing.
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2014, 02:00:00 PM »


I still maintain that the rights of those who wish to raise their own animals (which is STILL considered farming) for food has the possibility of being removed, is not a good thing.

I agree. Incremental loss of liberty is ''not a good thing.'' 

It is good to see a post in which a basic right (in this case, to feed oneself) is being lifted up as essential liberty.

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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2014, 02:35:02 PM »

I agree. Incremental loss of liberty is ''not a good thing.'' 

It is good to see a post in which a basic right (in this case, to feed oneself) is being lifted up as essential liberty.
When I first posted this article, I was hoping to find some common ground in which we could all agree upon.

I'm glad that we can agree, at least on this point.
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2014, 04:04:39 PM »

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Shady Grove Farm in Gwinn, Michigan is the six and a half acre home to 150 egg-laying hens that provide eggs to a local co-op and a local restaurant. The small Michigan farm also homes sheep for wool and a few turkeys and meat chickens to provide fresh healthy, local poultry.


re-reading...  this doesn't have anything to do with a few backyard chickens or beekeepers.

I would say several hundred chickens alone is more than a normal person would consider for a backyard farm operation -
6.5 acres isn't that much land - when considering Sheep and Turkeys as well.

I see the plea was they were supplying for local people...   but don't most eggs come from nearby "farms"...     
If you want to farm - buy zoned farmland.   

Unless someone can find a source that they have always done this and people moved in next door - and now are complaining...   Which doesn't seem to be the argument, so I doubt they did.
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2014, 04:07:12 PM »

Now, Prof, don't get lilly all in an uproar.
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2014, 04:18:29 PM »

Okay I'll use facts:

Here is the law in question
http://legislature.mi.gov/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-93-of-1981.pdf


From the State website:  question and answers -
10. Is it true that Right to Farm protection preempts local zoning ordinance restrictions on
farming?
 
In most cases local zoning ordinances may not restrict an established farming operation, if that farm is
being operated in accordance with existing GAAMPs. In other words, GAAMPs are the statewide
standards for farming practices in Michigan. However, activities not covered by the Right to Farm
Act or GAAMPs are subject to local zoning ordinances.
 
11. Are their instances where farming may be prohibited or restricted by local zoning given the
Right to Farm zoning preemption?
 
The GAAMPs for Site Selection and Odor Control for New and Expanding Livestock Production
Facilities includes provisions that exclude the development of new livestock facilities and the
expansion of existing livestock facilities in areas where zoning does not permit agriculture. In these
instances when land is zoned for residential use and is not zoned for agricultural use, the siting of
livestock facilities and the expansion of livestock facilities would not be approved under the Site
Selection GAAMPs. Those facilities that do not comply with the Site Selection GAAMPs are not
entitled to the defense to nuisance lawsuits provided under the Act.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdard/RIGHT_TO_FARM_ACT_Final_3_422144_7.pdf?20140505160642

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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2014, 04:39:25 PM »

Okay I'll use facts:

Isn't that a violation of the TOS?
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2014, 07:44:46 PM »

This is a decision that should be made at the local level. Just like the Federal Government
should be leaving things like the minimum wage up to the states.
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2014, 08:23:46 PM »

This is a decision that should be made at the local level. Just like the Federal Government
should be leaving things like the minimum wage up to the states.

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over John, nothing changes really.  It's still up to local ordinance administrated by township boards...
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2014, 08:28:51 PM »

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over John, nothing changes really.  It's still up to local ordinance administrated by township boards...

Sounds good. So what is the point?
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Re: A Farewell To Backyard Chickens and Beekeepers
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2014, 08:35:16 PM »

Professor...  I see you make numerous references to 'GAAMP's in your quote.  Happen to know what that is?  If not, let me enlighten you.  GAAMP is the acronym for Generally Accepted Agriculturial Manure Practices and really only pertains to effulent run off and Nitrogen leaching into area streams from CAFO's.

CAFO is Confined Animal Feeding Operation(s) like dairy farms, swine operations or cattle feedlot operations and has little to nothing to do with hobby farming or the person with a couple chickens, a couple bee hives or horses or sheep or pigs.  That comes under township ordinance and nothing has changed on that score.

In a zoned community (all of Monroe County is zoned btw), determination is up to the local boards as to the legality of whether a homeowner can have or not have an animal husbandry operation.  So long as it don't violate local ordinances or pose a hardship on the adjacent neighbors (like smell or noise), it's perfectly acceptable, so long as it don't violate the ordinance.
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