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Bowe Bergdahl
« on: May 31, 2014, 05:25:59 PM »

I guess this is one way to close Guantanamo Bay prison.

Here are the Taliban Terrorists Obama Released to Free POW Bowe Bergdahl

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/31/us-pays-high-price-for-last-pow-in-afghanistan.html

In exchange for Army Sgt. Bowe Berghdahl, the U.S. has released five senior Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison. They are considered some of the worst of the worst.
The five Guantanamo detainees released by the Obama administration in exchange for America’s last prisoner of war in Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, are bad guys. They are top Taliban commanders the group has tried to free for more than a decade.

According to a 2008 Pentagon dossier on Guantanamo Bay inmates, all five men released were considered to be a high risk to launch attacks against the United States and its allies if they were liberated. The exchange shows that the Obama administration was willing to pay a steep price, indeed, for Bergdahl’s freedom. The administration says they will be transferred to Qatar, which played a key role in the negotiations.

In the initial statements released about the deal, the White House declined to name the detainees who would be leaving the Cuba based prison Obama has been trying to close since his first day in office.

A senior U.S. defense official confirmed Saturday that the prisoners to be released include Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Mohammed Nabi Omari.

While not as well known as Guantanamo inmates like 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Taliban 5 were some of the worst outlaws in the U.S. war on terror. And their release will end up replenishing the diminished leadership ranks of the Afghan Taliban at a moment when the United States is winding down the war there.

“They are undoubtedly among the most dangerous Taliban commanders held at Guantanamo,” said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior editor at the Long War Journal who keeps a close watch on developments concerning the detainees left at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 06:18:54 PM »

Better that Sgt. Berghdahl return home to his family and have the opportunity to awaken to what has happened to his nation than to perish at the hands of an enemy that that nation no longer recognizes, and for people whom have lost the ability to perceive the threat and the will to address it accordingly.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2014, 07:00:27 PM »

Then enemy his Commander and Chief no longer recognizes anyway.......

I still recognize them as the enemy!

Many think Obama is a member of them?
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2014, 11:12:53 PM »

Better that Sgt. Berghdahl return home to his family and have the opportunity to awaken to what has happened to his nation than to perish at the hands of an enemy that that nation no longer recognizes, and for people whom have lost the ability to perceive the threat and the will to address it accordingly.

I believe the release of 5 Bin Laden types will result the deaths of many Americans over time.

This action will also give a strong  incentive to terrorists to capture American hostages.

I think that we will soon regret this shift in U.S. policy.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 09:26:11 AM »

No - now the peace loving Muslims will see we are not the enemy - and turn their attention elsewhere - right?
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 11:05:01 AM »

Doesn't matter what position the government takes one way or the other......we will always be hated in the Muslim world for decades of interference in their local affairs by administrations of both major parties.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 12:04:26 PM »

Hey, as long as they sell the oil - right?

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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 01:17:22 PM »

As a few of us say on here.....follow the money trail to where the power really lies and how decisions are made in this country.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 01:57:18 PM »

And Obama broke a law to do what he wanted to do.

Here is my shocked face....... 

Obama doesn't care about the rule of law.  He does what he wants to.

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Amid jubilation Saturday over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl from captivity by the Taliban, senior Republicans on Capitol Hill said they were troubled by the means by which it was accomplished, which was a deal to release five Afghan detainees from the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Top Republicans on the Senate and House armed services committees went so far as to accuse President Obama of having broken the law, which requires the administration to notify Congress before any transfers from Guantanamo are carried out.

“Trading five senior Taliban leaders from detention in Guantanamo Bay for Bergdahl’s release may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans. Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. McKeon (R-Calif.) and the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, James M. Inhofe (Okla.), said in a joint statement.

Lawmakers were not notified of the Guantanamo detainees’ transfer until after it occurred.

The law requires the defense secretary to notify relevant congressional committees at least 30 days before making any transfers of prisoners, to explain the reason and to provide assurances that those released would not be in a position to reengage in activities that could threaten the United States or its interests.

Before the current law was enacted at the end of last year, the conditions were even more stringent. However, the administration and some Democrats had pressed for them to be loosened, in part to give them more flexibility to negotiate for Bergdahl’s release.

A senior administration official, agreeing to speak on the condition of anonymity to explain the timing of the congressional notification, acknowledged that the law was not followed. When he signed the law last year, Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it.

“Due to a near-term opportunity to save Sergeant Bergdahl’s life, we moved as quickly as possible,” the official said. “The administration determined that given these unique and exigent circumstances, such a transfer should go forward notwithstanding the notice requirement.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said that the detainees transferred from Guantanamo to Qatar, where they are to stay for at least a year, “are hardened terrorists who have the blood of Americans and countless Afghans on their hands. I am eager to learn what precise steps are being taken to ensure that these vicious and violent Taliban extremists never return to the fight against the United States and our partners or engage in any activities that can threaten the prospects for peace and security in Afghanistan.”

Beyond this individual instance, some raised the larger question of whether it is sound policy for the United States to have, in the words of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), “negotiated with terrorists.”

Rogers said the action marked a “fundamental shift in U.S. policy.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bergdahl-release-arrangement-could-threaten-the-safety-of-americans-republicans-say/2014/05/31/35e47a2a-e8ff-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_print.html
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 06:17:55 PM »

I'm glad the guy is coming home.  I think the 'trade' was a bit lopsided but then, who am I.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2014, 06:55:47 PM »

I'm glad the guy is coming home.  I think the 'trade' was a bit lopsided but then, who am I.
Thanks Flip.  I was worried no one would divert from the blame game to actually say it was a good thing for a 5 year POW to come home finally.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2014, 07:12:47 PM »

A Five year POW comes home, and Five Terrorists hit the road....

Yep - I feel great about that deal.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2014, 07:15:14 PM »

I'm happy the guy is freed and coming home.  But i to think it was a pretty unfair trade.
Now we need to get the Marine our of Mexico that says he made a wrong turn and ended up there with a few guns in his car.
I'd like to believe his story but who knows.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM »

I'm happy the guy is freed and coming home.  But i to think it was a pretty unfair trade.

Agreed.......on both points.  Appears like some pretty poor negotiation skills by whomever was responsible for the ultimate decision. 

With only the facts as published, I don't know a single mediator who wouldn't high 5 the enemy on winning that deal.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2014, 07:33:02 PM »

So one has to wonder.....

If the Taliban wanted those 5 back, they must be some pretty bad guys.

I wonder how many people are going to die as a result of this?

How many years until we find out XXXXX number of people died as a result of 1 person coming home?

Yes - I am happy for him and his family he is home - but what a lousy deal.

There is a reason they were in Gitmo.
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