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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2014, 07:21:33 AM »

Oh, then he will probably be offered a job at the white house!
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2014, 07:45:37 AM »


It seems strange that members of Bergdahl's squad were required to sign nondisclosure agreements not to discuss Bergdahl's disappearance.

Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/

The sense of pride expressed by officials of the Obama administration at the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is not shared by many of those who served with him -- veterans and soldiers who call him a deserter whose "selfish act" ended up costing the lives of better men.

"I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on," said former Sgt. Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon when he went missing on June 30, 2009. "Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him."

Vierkant said Bergdahl needs to not only acknowledge his actions publicly but face a military trial for desertion under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

A reporter asked Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel Sunday whether Bergdahl had left his post without permission or deserted -- and, if so, whether he would be punished. Hagel didn't answer directly. "Our first priority is assuring his well-being and his health and getting him reunited with his family," he said. "Other circumstances that may develop and questions, those will be dealt with later."

Following his release from five years of captivity in Afghanistan on Saturday, Bergdahl was transferred to a military hospital in Germany.

A senior Defense official said Bergdahl's "reintegration process" will include "time for him to tell his story, decompress, and to reconnect with his family through telephone calls and video conferences."

Said Bergdahl's former squad leader, Greg Leatherman: "I'm pleased to see him returned safely. From experience I hope that he receives adequate reintegration counseling. I believe that an investigation should take place as soon as healthcare professionals deem him fit to endure one."

Another senior Defense official said Bergdahl will not likely face any punishment. "Five years is enough," he told CNN on condition of anonymity.

Questions surround the circumstances of Bergdahl's disappearance. Conflicting details have since emerged about how the militants managed to capture Bergdahl. Published accounts have varied widely, from claims he walked off the post to another that he was grabbed from a latrine.

According to first-hand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera, and a diary.

At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for Bergdahl, and many soldiers in his platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika Province in the days and weeks following his disappearance.

Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad, to the larger group that comprised the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.

Bergdahl 'has trouble speaking English' after five-year Afghanistan captivity
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/01/bergdahl-afghanistan-taliban-speaking-english-release

Working to free all Guantanamo prisoners’ tweet from account of released soldier’s father deleted
http://twitchy.com/2014/05/31/working-to-free-all-guantanamo-prisoners-tweet-from-account-of-released-soldiers-father-deleted/
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2014, 11:44:16 AM »

So now a guy who carries an AK-47 into Home Depot is an American Patriot Hero and an American Soldier held as a POW is a no-good bum unworthy of being brought home?

Does anyone REALLY wonder why the Republican Party is dying?
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2014, 11:52:24 AM »

Nope.
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2014, 12:06:09 PM »

Part of their political platform is enough to understand and wish demise upon them is sufficient for me, but then again I do not see the Democrats in any better light.

Revolt!......in a non-violent manner!
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2014, 12:55:41 PM »

So now a guy who carries an AK-47 into Home Depot is an American Patriot Hero and an American Soldier held as a POW is a no-good bum unworthy of being brought home?

Does anyone REALLY wonder why the Republican Party is dying?


It seems, based on his fellow soldiers comments, that this American soldier may have deserted his post and sought the Taliban out to join them against his country. Moreover, he has spoken out against America, American, his fellow soldiers etc. I do not know if any of what is being said is true or not but if we traded a low-life traitor for five baby murdering international terrorists Obozo is dumber than even I thought he was.

Stay tuned.  This saga is just beginning.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2014, 01:02:48 PM »

If this is true, maybe the trade was made so we could put him down at Gitmo and do some of that water boarding stuff on him while extracting his toe nails and truth about what he downloaded to the Taliban. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2014, 01:10:57 PM »

Don't worry, the 5 that we released have been micro-chipped so the drones can lock on to them.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2014, 01:33:44 PM »


The Rolling Stone wrote a story on Bowe Bergdahl  in 2012.  Here is where the writer talks about Bowe's final email to his parents.

America's Last Prisoner of War

It was all too much for Bowe. On June 27th, he sent what would be his final e-mail­ to his parents. It was a lengthy message documenting his complete disillusionment with the war effort. He opened it by addressing it simply to "mom, dad."

"The future is too good to waste on lies," Bowe wrote. "And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."

The e-mail went on to list a series of complaints: Three good sergeants, Bowe said, had been forced to move to another company, and "one of the biggest **** bags is being put in charge of the team." His battalion commander was a "conceited old fool." The military system itself was broken: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing **** bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools." The soldiers he actually admired were planning on leaving: "The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, and they are telling us privates to do the same."

In the second-to-last paragraph of the e-mail, Bowe wrote about his broader disgust with America's approach to the war – an effort, on the ground, that seemed to represent the exact opposite of the kind of concerted campaign to win the "hearts and minds" of average Afghans envisioned by counterinsurgency strategists. "I am sorry for everything here," Bowe told his parents. "These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live." He then referred to what his parents believe may have been a formative, possibly traumatic event: seeing an Afghan child run over by an MRAP. "We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them."

Bowe concluded his e-mail with what, in another context, might read as a suicide note. "I am sorry for everything," he wrote. "The horror that is america is disgusting." Then he signed off with a final message to his mother and father. "There are a few more boxes coming to you guys," he said, referring to his uniform and books, which he had already packed up and shipped off. "Feel free to open them, and use them."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607page=4#ixzz33VIfjEQz
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2014, 01:55:30 PM »

If this is true, maybe the trade was made so we could put him down at Gitmo and do some of that water boarding stuff on him while extracting his toe nails and truth about what he downloaded to the Taliban. 

I expect that he would more likely be given an honored position in the Obozo Circus..er, I mean administration.
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2014, 03:13:04 PM »

I really hope someone did Microchip them.......

And it results in 5 drone strikes.

That would vastly improve my respect for Obama.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2014, 07:51:35 PM »


Here is an interesting read:

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html


For five years, soldiers have been forced to stay silent about the disappearance and search for Bergdahl. Now we can talk about what really happened.

It was June 30, 2009, and I was in the city of Sharana, the capitol of Paktika province in Afghanistan. As I stepped out of a decrepit office building into a perfect sunny day, a member of my team started talking into his radio. “Say that again,” he said. “There’s an American soldier missing?”

There was. His name was Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, the only prisoner of war in the Afghan theater of operations. His release from Taliban custody on May 31 marks the end of a nearly five-year-old story for the soldiers of his unit, the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment. I served in the same battalion in Afghanistan and participated in the attempts to retrieve him throughout the summer of 2009. After we redeployed, every member of my brigade combat team received an order that we were not allowed to discuss what happened to Bergdahl for fear of endangering him. He is safe, and now it is time to speak the truth.

And that the truth is: Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.

On the night prior to his capture, Bergdahl pulled guard duty at OP Mest, a small outpost about two hours south of the provincial capitol. The base resembled a wagon circle of armored vehicles with some razor wire strung around them. A guard tower sat high up on a nearby hill, but the outpost itself was no fortress. Besides the tower, the only hard structure that I saw in July 2009 was a plywood shed filled with bottled water. Soldiers either slept in poncho tents or inside their vehicles.

The next morning, Bergdahl failed to show for the morning roll call. The soldiers in 2nd Platoon, Blackfoot Company discovered his rifle, helmet, body armor and web gear in a neat stack. He had, however, taken his compass. His fellow soldiers later mentioned his stated desire to walk from Afghanistan to India.

The Daily Beast’s Christopher Dickey later wrote that "[w]hether Bergdahl…just walked away from his base or was lagging behind on a patrol at the time of his capture remains an open and fiercely debated question.” Not to me and the members of my unit. Make no mistake: Bergdahl did not "lag behind on a patrol,” as was cited in news reports at the time. There was no patrol that night. Bergdahl was relieved from guard duty, and instead of going to sleep, he fled the outpost on foot. He deserted. I’ve talked to members of Bergdahl’s platoon—including the last Americans to see him before his capture. I’ve reviewed the relevant documents. That’s what happened.

more at:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html
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Re: The U.S. negotiates with terrorists
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2014, 08:40:49 PM »

So obama gave back 5 of the worst terrorists for a deserter.   Sounds like something he would do.  The muslims will some day love us..
can we make it another 2-1/2 years with this bozo?
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2014, 08:48:38 PM »

He goes from one impeachable offense to another and the media condones it as well as the sheeple.

He'll go down in the annals of history as our greatest President...just watch
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