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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3690 on: June 09, 2018, 12:32:29 PM »

I just can't imagine as even the most loyal Democrats are not embarrassed by her, and despise the leadership role she is within her party.

I don't think it is possible to embarrass a Democrat.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3691 on: June 16, 2018, 09:33:04 AM »

Interesting to see a County Commissioner challenging the way farmland is assessed...   He trying to make up for the Fermi losses? 
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3692 on: June 16, 2018, 10:48:19 AM »

He's challenging it personally not as a county commissioner. The rest of the board and the state tax commission think he is wrong in his assertions.
I don't think personally he has standing to appeal the equalization report and his appeal will get rejected.
I think he knows it too but wants the white hat publicity. After all it is an election year.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3693 on: June 16, 2018, 01:39:29 PM »

LOL......what a shame, but a fact or reality I'd say even at the local government level.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3694 on: June 16, 2018, 02:06:17 PM »

He's challenging it personally not as a county commissioner. The rest of the board and the state tax commission think he is wrong in his assertions.
I don't think personally he has standing to appeal the equalization report and his appeal will get rejected.
I think he knows it too but wants the white hat publicity. After all it is an election year.

I've never had any issue with 'standing' in issues I've taken to the state tax tribunal if this is along that line.  Obviously more legal issues than I've ever done on just an individual parcel or two.

Assuming Gary is the owner of Wilmoth Farms LLC (I'm 99% sure he is) then he certainly has a number of agricultural parcels and probably therefore some variations in taxable value from one parcel to the next.

The part I question is what appears to be a lot of parcels that are at the back (west side) of North Shores Subdivision.  Is he legitimately 'farming' those?  The assessor is required to tax according to highest and best and in a platted subdivision that certainly may be higher than 'farm land'.  Gary may have an argument that those parcels are no longer potential buildable sites (and that may be a good argument at this point) but I would think he would have to exhaust that argument with La Salle Township first. 

From the public tax records of Monroe County:

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WILMOTH FARMS LLC   05 010 003 00 (Parcel Number)   LUNA PIER RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   08 034 015 01 (Parcel Number)   MOROCCO RD-VACANT   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 374 00 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD - VACANT   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 374 01 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 375 00 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 383 00 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 383 10 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 386 01 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 387 02 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 388 00 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 388 10 (Parcel Number)   5971 S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 389 00 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 392 01 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD - VACANT   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 392 02 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 392 03 (Parcel Number)   S OTTER CREEK RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 130 393 00 (Parcel Number)   TOLEDO BEACH RD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 011 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 024 00 (Parcel Number)   NORTH SHORES BLVD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 026 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 026 01 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 027 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 028 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 029 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 030 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 032 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 034 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 036 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 037 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 038 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 039 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 041 00 (Parcel Number)   WESTERN DR   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 042 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 043 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 044 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE H   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 045 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 046 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 047 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 048 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 049 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 051 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 052 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 053 00 (Parcel Number)   NORTH SHORES BLVD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 054 00 (Parcel Number)   NORTH SHORES BLVD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 055 00 (Parcel Number)   NORTH SHORES BLVD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 056 00 (Parcel Number)   NORTH SHORES BLVD   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 057 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 058 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 059 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 060 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 061 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE J

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WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 071 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 072 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 073 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 074 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 075 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 076 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 077 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 078 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 079 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 080 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 081 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 082 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 083 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 085 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 086 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 087 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 088 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 089 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 090 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 091 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 092 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   09 180 093 00 (Parcel Number)   AVE I   
WILMOTH FARMS LLC   05 004 036 00 (Parcel Number)   2501 RAUCH RD
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3695 on: June 16, 2018, 02:09:22 PM »

He also still holds multiple parcels in his own name:

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WILMOTH GARY   05 002 020 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 010 066 30 (Parcel Number)   ERIE RD   
WILMOTH GARY   07 317 002 20 (Parcel Number)   STEWART   
WILMOTH GARY   09 032 035 00 (Parcel Number)   2250 RAUCH RD   
WILMOTH GARY   09 130 452 00 (Parcel Number)   E STEIN RD   
WILMOTH GARY   09 130 453 00 (Parcel Number)   KELLY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 001 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 002 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 003 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 004 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 005 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 006 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 007 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 008 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 009 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 010 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 011 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY   05 120 012 00 (Parcel Number)   VICTORY RD   
WILMOTH GARY & SANDRA   05 010 010 00 (Parcel Number)   3635 LUNA PIER RD
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3696 on: June 16, 2018, 02:49:56 PM »

He's appealing the validity of the equalization report for the whole county on the basis that the ag parcels weren't assessed legally. It's not like an individual appeal of a parcel that gets denied at the local level them moves to the tribunal.
I don't think an individual can appeal the equalization study/report and I'm not sure if you did that the tax tribunal is the proper venue.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3697 on: June 16, 2018, 03:19:42 PM »

He probably farms what he can and then gets government subsidies for not farming some.. Our government just throws money away
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3698 on: June 18, 2018, 09:31:59 AM »

Sounded to me more like he wanted an potential appraisal vs assessment value.

Best use?   so if he thinks you're land can better be used as a subdivision -  he wants you to pay subdivision prices.     
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« Reply #3699 on: June 18, 2018, 10:05:51 AM »

Sounded to me more like he wanted an potential appraisal vs assessment value.

Best use?   so if he thinks you're land can better be used as a subdivision -  he wants you to pay subdivision prices.   

Price farming out of the state?
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« Reply #3700 on: June 18, 2018, 12:20:56 PM »

He wants each acre to have an individual assessment based on its soil type, tiling, drainage etc. Which is almost impossible to do and if townships tried it would be astronomically expensive and to what benefit ?
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« Reply #3701 on: June 18, 2018, 12:44:28 PM »

He wants each acre to have an individual assessment based on its soil type, tiling, drainage etc. Which is almost impossible to do and if townships tried it would be astronomically expensive and to what benefit ?

I keep thinking it has to come down to lowering his taxable value somehow.
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« Reply #3702 on: June 18, 2018, 02:52:28 PM »

Ironically it will raise more than it will lower and it will do that across the county. He took a stand early on without thoroughly  understanding the assessing process. He left himself no exit plan so even after the head of the state tax commission told him in a personal meeting that he was interpreting the code incorrectly he insisted on pushing forward. He made promises that he can't keep and is trying to bully his way to redemption. I don't think he will prevail.
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« Reply #3703 on: June 18, 2018, 05:17:33 PM »

So everyone is wrong - but him?

I wish him luck on prevailing on that.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #3704 on: June 19, 2018, 07:54:25 AM »

We took a ride to North Shores over the weekend and sure enough right in the middle of the subdivision is a hay field.  In the area near where the old clubhouse used to be is all hay.  There are still a couple of wrapped round bales sitting on the ground so there's no doubt about it. 

When we drove back out we went back by Western and no hay there.  All still brushed over and probably the lowest point in the entire sub.  Several spots of standing water down in the brush so even if cleared it might not make much hay without some fill.

I have a plat map of North Shores.  I'll try to figure out how to upload it.  I have it now as a .tif file and I think a .pdf but I have to convert it to a photo file somehow.
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