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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #765 on: November 23, 2015, 08:08:40 PM »

So you're saying the French media hasn't a clue?

and your now a cheerleader for female terrorist because they haven't blown themselves up in Europe yet?
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #766 on: November 23, 2015, 08:12:35 PM »

So you're saying the French media hasn't a clue?

and your now a cheerleader for female terrorist because they haven't blown themselves up in Europe yet?
Just trying to educate the uneducated.  ;)

But sadly, some people are incapable of learning.
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May be what happened to the other libs as well.

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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #767 on: November 23, 2015, 11:00:45 PM »

Gee and which candidate will do this?   

I believe Trump has already called for this... 
We know Bernie never met a tax he didn't love...
Hillary is too busy writing her acceptance speech to worry about such things right now.


Bernie was fighting this before either of them were running for President. He has introduced a bill in the works right now.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #768 on: November 23, 2015, 11:43:54 PM »


We know Bernie never met a tax he didn't love...

Sure he has. He hates the ones on the poor because they are too much, and the ones on the rich because they aren't enough.
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #769 on: November 23, 2015, 11:50:36 PM »

I am finding out that the definition of "Rich" in this country is anyone who can pay more taxes......

Which is anyone with a job, or a house, or a car, or that buys anything.

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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #770 on: November 23, 2015, 11:58:20 PM »

I am finding out that the definition of "Rich" in this country is anyone who can pay more taxes......

Which is anyone with a job, or a house, or a car, or that buys anything.

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The top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%, they should be paying the most
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #771 on: November 24, 2015, 12:10:13 AM »

The top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%, they should be paying the most


Okay.

From this graph - please explain to me how that is correct.

Remember - you say the top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%.

Please show me how that is correct - and how you support a budget the size of the United States by just mainly taxing that evil 0.1%?

What tax rate would you need?  300%?  400%?  500%?


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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #772 on: November 24, 2015, 12:18:30 AM »

Okay.

From this graph - please explain to me how that is correct.

I should have stated "has" instead of "makes".

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/

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Sanders said "the top one-tenth of 1 percent" of Americans "own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent."

His claim repeats a finding from a study by two internationally known economists that were supported by two other major economists we contacted. But the study has been criticized, for example, for not including Social Security in the wealth calculations.

For a claim that is accurate but needs additional information, a rating is Mostly True.



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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #773 on: November 24, 2015, 12:29:17 AM »

I should have stated "has" instead of "makes".

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/

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Sanders said "the top one-tenth of 1 percent" of Americans "own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent."

His claim repeats a finding from a study by two internationally known economists that were supported by two other major economists we contacted. But the study has been criticized, for example, for not including Social Security in the wealth calculations.

For a claim that is accurate but needs additional information, a rating is Mostly True.




It is kinda true if you exclude SS income and capital income of middle-income savers and homeowners.

Richard Burkhauser, a professor of policy analysis at Cornell University, told us that Saez and Zucman are "very well respected economists," but that he has a major complaint about their study: it excludes Social Security. "To ignore it as they do grossly understates the wealth held by Americans in the bottom 99 percent of the population,"  Burkhauser said.

Another criticism is the study that it doesn't take into account changes in tax laws.

Daniel Mitchell, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute, pointed us to an article one of his colleagues wrote in the Wall Street Journal. It said, for example, that changes in tax laws in the 1980s and ’90s skew any increase in wealth inequality by requiring more capital income of high-income taxpayers be reported on individual returns, while excluding most capital income of middle-income savers and homeowners.

Another criticism is the study that it doesn't take into account changes in tax laws.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #774 on: November 24, 2015, 10:02:18 AM »

I should have stated "has" instead of "makes".

Okay - so now we are getting someplace.

Excelsior's post fires some holes in that argument - but at least we are starting to get someplace with you.

So do you understand why you just can't tax the income of the top X% of the rich and cover all the budget needs of the US Government - plus all the social programs that Bernie Sanders can dream up?  That there simply isn't enough income in those brackets to cover all of the programs that are being proposed?

So given that you admit that it is the "holdings" of wealth that you are referring to - am I to understand that you advocate the taxation of that money year after year - the base capital - not the income - to cover the Government Coffers?  Am I to understand that you are a big fan of taking a big chunk of estates when someone dies, or do you want to just take it away from them while they are still alive? 

Do you realize that the Ultra Rich will just leave and take their money to a country that wont do that to them?

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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #775 on: November 24, 2015, 07:47:27 PM »

Okay - so now we are getting someplace.

Excelsior's post fires some holes in that argument - but at least we are starting to get someplace with you.

So do you understand why you just can't tax the income of the top X% of the rich and cover all the budget needs of the US Government - plus all the social programs that Bernie Sanders can dream up?  That there simply isn't enough income in those brackets to cover all of the programs that are being proposed?

So given that you admit that it is the "holdings" of wealth that you are referring to - am I to understand that you advocate the taxation of that money year after year - the base capital - not the income - to cover the Government Coffers?  Am I to understand that you are a big fan of taking a big chunk of estates when someone dies, or do you want to just take it away from them while they are still alive? 

Do you realize that the Ultra Rich will just leave and take their money to a country that wont do that to them?


The rich of other countries are doing that - Look at the wealth leaving Russia and China...
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #776 on: November 24, 2015, 08:26:57 PM »

The rich of other countries are doing that - Look at the wealth leaving Russia and China...


France tried to tax the rich and it didn't work.   The rich were leaving and they had trouble competing for talent.

France waves discreet goodbye to 75 percent super-tax

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/france-waves-discreet-goodbye-75-percent-super-tax-162358813--business.html


On the bright side, if we chase away the 1% and then the next 1%, wash and repeat a few times.   We will have income equality in no time.

Keely explains how it works here:



Neil Cavuto embarrasses student who wants free college and has no idea how to pay for it


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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #777 on: November 24, 2015, 08:59:28 PM »

Bernie was fighting this before either of them were running for President. He has introduced a bill in the works right now.
And hows that going?    He has about as much pull with the "D" party as Trump...
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Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
« Reply #778 on: November 24, 2015, 10:07:06 PM »

http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article46215810.html

Interesting to learn that while a huge fund (CalPERS)  the California pension fund is only 77% funded... and yet they are paying a billion a year out to managers... 
No wonder pension boards can have their members flown around the world to nice places!

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« Reply #779 on: November 25, 2015, 07:23:48 PM »

Okay - so now we are getting someplace.

Excelsior's post fires some holes in that argument - but at least we are starting to get someplace with you.

So do you understand why you just can't tax the income of the top X% of the rich and cover all the budget needs of the US Government - plus all the social programs that Bernie Sanders can dream up?  That there simply isn't enough income in those brackets to cover all of the programs that are being proposed?

So given that you admit that it is the "holdings" of wealth that you are referring to - am I to understand that you advocate the taxation of that money year after year - the base capital - not the income - to cover the Government Coffers?  Am I to understand that you are a big fan of taking a big chunk of estates when someone dies, or do you want to just take it away from them while they are still alive? 

Do you realize that the Ultra Rich will just leave and take their money to a country that wont do that to them?
You don't need to tax their holdings, just the new income. And quit letting corporations ship their profits overseas.

If the money is made here, it should be taxed before it goes offshore.

Government is supposed to represent the people, not the corporations nor the oligarchs.

The founding fathers were afraid of all the power and money going to a small few.

Only one candidate acknowledges this, and it certainly ain't Trump.
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