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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2018, 02:00:14 PM »

Here's the current situation.

Carson's            Closing
Carson's Home Store      Closing
f.y.e.             Closing
Kay Jewelers         Moving
Bath Fitter            Unmanned Kiosk
Amazing Space         Vending Machines
Claw Kicker         Vending Machines
EcoATM            Vending Machine
MB&T ATM            Vending Machine
BAM!   
Bath & Body Works   
Brow Shapes   
Color   
Family & Friends Funland   
GNC   
Humane Society Thrift Store   
Little Green Apple Hallmark   
MasterCuts   
Mrs. Fields   
Pat Catan's   
Phoenix Theatres   
Planet Fitness   
Pretzelmaker   
Shoe Dept.   
Spencer's   
Taco Bell   
Wu Ji Acupressure & Reflexology   

I can't see what's left paying for security and utilities.   Planet Fitness, Phoenix, and Pat Catans could stay open with the interior of the mall closing, though they'd have to build a wall by the theaters.   Any of those other interior stores could probably move relatively quick to any number of open spots in various strip malls and probably do better business.   If they even wanted to stay in Monroe.   I expect the traditional mall chains on that list will close by the time Carsons closes.


Planet Fitness and Pat Catan's are already essentially 'free standing'.  I'm sure the theater would want to try to make a go of things at least for the time being.  They've made quite an investment there in the last few years and I'd guess they probably still owe on that and would like to try to recoup at least part of it.  They can probably sell or move the fancy seats and projection but all the work on building the screens will be lost if they have to close down.  I could see putting some kind of a rolling gate across to fence off the mall beyond the theater entrance for the time being.  Where would become the question.  With just the theater is there even enough traffic for MB&T to maintain their ATM.  Mrs. Field's and the pretzel shop are probably not going to move anywhere into a free standing shop.  If so they would both have to get bigger I would think.  They're both kind of just 'mall food' stores.  Is there enough traffic from the theater to keep them going.  I would doubt it.  No way Taco Bell can stay with just theater traffic.  Maybe the theater would want to expand out into the present food court and open something of their own for food.

I'd say the 'Mall' is getting closer and closer to the demolition ball.  Malls are out of fashion anyway.  The idea hatched in the late 50 and early 60's has run it's course.  Time to move on...

I have a feeling it will sit closed off for a long, long time.

Not sure yet if it will close for sure (I lean that way right now) but I doubt they'll be in a big hurry to tear it down.  I'm sure there are plenty of lenders involved that are going to have some input on that.  If the mall owners get forced into bankruptcy then things could change fast. 

I would guess we'll see a 'sale' in the near future to a new entity that is set up just to protect the current owner's interest as best as can be. 

Only time will tell for sure!

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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2018, 02:08:48 PM »

Malls are out of fashion like I said before.  Look at Northtown, all that is left is the freestanding Planet Fitness and an empty but fenced in field where FCA is parking cats.

It stood vacant for a number of years before the wrecking ball got it.

Pretty much impossible to repurpose a mall into anything viable.  I'm surprised the Marketplace at 75 and LaPlasance  hasn't either burned down or got demo'd.  Big plans there that went poof.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2018, 02:11:23 PM »

With the wad of beaneries Monroe has, kind of surprises me they all stay in business.  The pie slices must be pretty thin.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2018, 02:13:10 PM »

Adrian Mall is going the way of Monroe as well, just at a slower pace.  I remember when it was a cornfield and it may revert back to just that.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2018, 02:29:43 PM »

Malls are out of fashion like I said before.  Look at Northtown, all that is left is the freestanding Planet Fitness and an empty but fenced in field where FCA is parking cats.

It stood vacant for a number of years before the wrecking ball got it.

Pretty much impossible to repurpose a mall into anything viable.  I'm surprised the Marketplace at 75 and LaPlasance  hasn't either burned down or got demo'd.  Big plans there that went poof.

Franklin Park still seems to draw pretty good.

A few of the fancier malls closer to Deetroit still seem to have plenty of business. 

The big problem with NorthTowne was Toledo was way, way overbuilt and NT was situated at the very north edge of Toledo.  There weren't enough people in Bedford Township to support 'their half' of the mall.  Down there it was a case of the strongest surviving and that is what happened.

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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #140 on: April 20, 2018, 09:55:23 PM »

Franklin Park has a gang issue so I'm told.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #141 on: April 21, 2018, 08:27:50 AM »

Franklin Park has a gang issue so I'm told.

Do you have a link or some links to that?

I've never seen anything that even resembles any gang activity. 

There are young people there at the mall (there are stores that cater to young people) and probably at certain times there are more than others.  Does that mean they're all gang members. 

I guess to some people that equates to 'gang activity'. 
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #142 on: April 21, 2018, 08:35:20 AM »

Looking back at the highs and the lows of the Mall of Monroe (Frenchtown) and trying to put a 'cause and effect' in place...

did declining foot traffic cause the stores to close or did the ever increasing number of closed stores cause the decline in foot traffic?

I do think this mall has had some bad luck over the years in that they seemed to have a high number of chains that went out of business at a national level.  It wasn't just their bad business in Monroe that caused their demise!

Any other thoughts?
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #143 on: April 21, 2018, 09:32:00 AM »

Franklin Park did have a gang issue.  About a year ago and maybe longer kids under 18 have to leave the mall at least by 5:00PM.  Pretty sure they can be in the theater area but that's upstairs.
There were some issues in the parking lots between gangs shooting each other occasional but i think that was probably spill over leaving the mall when they were allowed in.
Have to give FPM credit for taking a stance but the mall was in decline with the kids roaming around..
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #144 on: April 21, 2018, 09:54:41 AM »

Franklin Park did have a gang issue.  About a year ago and maybe longer kids under 18 have to leave the mall at least by 5:00PM.  Pretty sure they can be in the theater area but that's upstairs.
There were some issues in the parking lots between gangs shooting each other occasional but i think that was probably spill over leaving the mall when they were allowed in.
Have to give FPM credit for taking a stance but the mall was in decline with the kids roaming around..

That's what I remember...   

lots and lots of unescorted teens although not particularly organized gangs.  I've never seen any sign of that. 

I haven't heard any comments about anything like that recently.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #145 on: April 21, 2018, 05:21:02 PM »

Nothing lately..I don't go there often and it's usually just to Dicks.
But i have a friend that works there and says its really good now.
She still gets escorted to her vehicle after work in the evening but feels safe again.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #146 on: April 22, 2018, 08:57:14 AM »

Nothing lately..I don't go there often and it's usually just to Dicks.
But i have a friend that works there and says its really good now.
She still gets escorted to her vehicle after work in the evening but feels safe again.

If we're going we try to get there first thing in the morning before it gets too crowded and before the parking lots get crowded.  I wouldn't be concerned going at night other than mostly the parking issue. 
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #147 on: April 22, 2018, 12:51:52 PM »

Nothing lately..I don't go there often and it's usually just to Dicks.
But i have a friend that works there and says its really good now.
She still gets escorted to her vehicle after work in the evening but feels safe again.
 

You go to Dicks and own a firearm?  Amazing.  I wouldn't set foot in the door after them taking an anti- 2A stand and going as far as destroying their remaining inventory of firearms...

Dicks is just that a dickhead place.
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #148 on: April 22, 2018, 12:52:58 PM »

Let me say i USE to go to Dicks..
Just last week i found some summer tees for working out at Walmart that were $5.76.  Maybe even better than the $20 UA that Dicks sold..
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Re: Mall of Monroe... will it survive?
« Reply #149 on: April 22, 2018, 12:56:35 PM »

Thats better..... ;D
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