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Re: More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2018, 02:32:50 PM »

Bottom line with me is...  We live and die in an industrialized nation and because back when, there was little or no controls over hazardous chemicals, we now get to live (or die) with the aftermath.

Why I'm opposed to injection wells in Summerfield Township and Monroe County in general.  You pump toxic crap downhole and it's gone.  Question is, for how long and if it will ever pollute the water supply.  Just too risky.

The main reason we are forced to live with these hazardous chemicals in our waters is due to greed...

more profitable to just bury it or flush it down the drain or not bother recovering it.  In most cases there is a way to safely dispose of any of these chemicals  (burning at a high temperature is frequently used) but it's expensive to recover the product and then to transport it to  facility that can actually handle it safely. 

Fortunately in the case of the contaminants at the former or still operating military bases we have the ultra deep pockets of the US Government to turn to. 

One of these days it may be 'bottled water' for everyone in Michigan too.
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Re: More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2018, 12:37:02 PM »

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Re: More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2018, 01:30:42 PM »

Lake Margarethe is where I am at. The problem was discovered a couple of years ago. Some contamination has been found in local wells and of course the foam. 70 parts per trillion is the threshold set for it to be an official problem. One 1 well so far has exceeded that but any well where it is detected at all gets the free water filter installed. I'm not checking my wells. All of the neighbors did and are clean so I'm not wasting my time with it.
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Re: More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2018, 02:06:56 PM »

The main reason we are forced to live with these hazardous chemicals in our waters is due to greed...

more profitable to just bury it or flush it down the drain or not bother recovering it.  In most cases there is a way to safely dispose of any of these chemicals  (burning at a high temperature is frequently used) but it's expensive to recover the product and then to transport it to  facility that can actually handle it safely. 

Fortunately in the case of the contaminants at the former or still operating military bases we have the ultra deep pockets of the US Government to turn to. 

One of these days it may be 'bottled water' for everyone in Michigan too.

That might be not too far fetched, especially if Lansing sides with the lobbyists and ignores the obvious, something they are really good at.
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Re: More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2018, 06:40:55 PM »

Lake Margarethe is where I am at. The problem was discovered a couple of years ago. Some contamination has been found in local wells and of course the foam. 70 parts per trillion is the threshold set for it to be an official problem. One 1 well so far has exceeded that but any well where it is detected at all gets the free water filter installed. I'm not checking my wells. All of the neighbors did and are clean so I'm not wasting my time with it.

If all your wells are tapped into the same aquifer they you should all be getting similar results.  If you have a well that is much deeper or much shallower then it's probably in a different aquifer and you might want to get that one tested.
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Re: More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2018, 08:25:23 AM »

Apparently Wurtsmith is the tip of the iceberg.  The map shows a blue dot for Monroe County and it is a fish eating advisory for Lake Erie. 

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/page/michigans_water_crisis_pfas.html
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2018, 10:16:39 PM »

I think Schuette is too busy running for governor to be bothered with suing anyone!

http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/snyder-wants-ag-to-sue-3m-to-recoup-costs-of-contamination
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PFAs are poisoning our water
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2018, 06:51:34 PM »

Original name:  More water woes near former Wurtsmith AFB at Oscoda

New name:  PFAs are poisoning our water

I'm going to rename this thread.  Wurtsmith is not the only area we're seeing problems with the PFAs

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/07/selfridge_pfas_afff_lake_st_cl.html
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2018, 11:52:32 PM »

We all have to die sometime...  Between the algae toxins in the lake, the discarded drugs in the water, the PFA's and everything else, I'm surprised we don't all kick the bucket.

I quit worrying about all that stuff a long time ago.  Better things to do like going hunting and sleeping, which I'm going to do right now

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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2018, 08:43:59 AM »

We all have to die sometime...  Between the algae toxins in the lake, the discarded drugs in the water, the PFA's and everything else, I'm surprised we don't all kick the bucket.

I quit worrying about all that stuff a long time ago.  Better things to do like going hunting and sleeping, which I'm going to do right now

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Unfortunately, a majority of people have the same or a similar attitude about our air and our water.  Those are the first two things we need to live on this earth.

When they find out the PFAs are in 'their' water supply then they go from zero to overdrive trying to figure out 'what happened'!

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Re: PFAs are poisoning our water
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2018, 09:43:07 AM »

Another municipal system that is found with PFAs in the water.  This is just on the north side of Kalamazoo.

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2018/07/pfas_parchment_kalamazoo.html
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2018, 12:00:47 PM »

Unfortunately, a majority of people have the same or a similar attitude about our air and our water.  Those are the first two things we need to live on this earth.

When they find out the PFAs are in 'their' water supply then they go from zero to overdrive trying to figure out 'what happened'!

Not trying to come across as Cavalier by any means but, it's there and has been for a while now.  I look at it this way...  Back in the day, substances like Asbestos and Tetra Ethyl Lead were commonly used (mercury in thermometers too) and were deemed to be fine (by the chemists of that era) and now they find out that they are not fine.

So, it's in the water supply.  What is the alternative, quit drinking and using the water?  Not going to happen.  As humans, we need water to survive.  I'm not going to get anal about something I cannot control, I have other issues to deal with.

To be pollution free would require way more bucks than anyone is willing to spend (and many don't have it to spend anyway).  Relying on governmental agencies to 'foot the bill' only causes taxes to rise, bottom line is, someone has to pay for it and that someone is you, the taxpayer.

Consequently, I'm not getting my panties in a twist over it.

One, it's there and has been
Two, remediation / elimination is beyond the scope of most governmental agencies
Three,  when no one knew, life continued on and will continue on no matter what happens.

Kind of like the nitrate runoff and the algae in Lake Erie's western basin.  Government knows what the cause (of the toxic algae is) but doing something about it appears to me to be something that cannot be dealt with because it might offend a certain group, in this case farmers, so all that happens is postulation and band-aid fixes, none of which will eliminate or actually reduce the issue.

All industry pollutes to some extent, some more than others.  It distills down to what is acceptable and what isn't.

No way will any of us (even you) live pollution free.  You find it acceptable to use used motor oil as an accelerant to start your brush fires.  Ever think about the particulates you are releasing into the atmosphere and/or the known carcinogens that are there as well, or the amount that leaches into the ground from you doing that?  bet not.  Just the burning of brush is releasing particulates into the air that your neighbors are breathing with no choice.

Bet you never consider those things because most people don't.  Me included.

No way will we ever live in a pollution free enviroment.  We have to come to terms with what is acceptable and what isn't.  For me, the PFAS issue is a non issue because I have no control over it and if I had any, not sure I would be financially positive about dealing with it.
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Re: PFAs are poisoning our water
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2018, 03:12:34 PM »

Maybe I read it here. Maybe the Blade.  Dundee dumped mostly untreated sewage into river yesterday.  Some kind of malfunction.
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2018, 04:33:44 PM »

Maybe I read it here. Maybe the Blade.  Dundee dumped mostly untreated sewage into river yesterday.  Some kind of malfunction.

Nothing new there.  Every time we have a rain event Dumbdee, dumps sewage in the river, despite spending millions on their stormwater and sanitary system.  But who cares anyway. it gets washed out to the lake and 'vanishes'  The Raisin has been Monroe and Lenawee County's toilet for a long time.  The vanishing shitte is coming back as algae.  Paybacks are hell aren't they?
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Re: PFAs are poisoning our water
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2018, 08:21:58 AM »

Maybe I read it here. Maybe the Blade.  Dundee dumped mostly untreated sewage into river yesterday.  Some kind of malfunction.


There was actually a series of malfunctions.  Some new filter and then the system that is supposed to phone an operator malfunctioned too.  The article says the sewage was "partially treated". 

Fine them a couple of hundred thousand dollars and they'll get their act together!!!

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180728/equipment-malfunction-leads-to-spill-in-river-at-dundee
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