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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 10:30:57 AM »

He spent 18 days in Houston treating people.  Had been home a couple of weeks and now was asked to head to PR.  Still haven't heard much about Houston or seen to many pics.  They were told while there to keep the pics stories off social media..
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2017, 11:01:45 AM »

Pretty lame for you BRD.  What does DJT going there have to do with the price of eggs?

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2017/09/dont-blame-federal-government-for.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/28/aid-trickling-into-puerto-rico-but-thousands-supplies-still-stuck-port/711894001/

They need truck drivers.  Sidecar, you in the area?

Him showing up or not showing up probably won't have any impact on the price of fuel or groceries in general (not just eggs).  What it will do is have a very negative impact on the people like blue2's nephew and many other volunteers who are giving time out of their 'normal' life to be there.

I wasn't particularly picking on DJT but rather any president or even high ranking elected person of either party.  I've had some first hand experience with these 'photo op' scenarios from my days in the Army.  Although I was never 'blessed' with a visiting President (tricky Dick at the time) we did have several visits from Senators and Representatives.  We even had a slang term that involved the word Congressional. 

I was the battalion PIO (Public Information Officer) among several other specific duties.  The PIO was intended to be a position filled by a 2LT (for those not familiar that is the lowest level officer in the Army) but due to the war in VietNam at the time it was difficult to keep 2LTs around.  Since the job involved photograph and writing articles and I had some prior experience in both I found myself as a PFC (E3).  That addition to my slate of duties did help get me promoted to E5 rather quickly though.  I actually left there after 21 months in the Army as an E5 and that was very rapid rank advancement.  That background is probably irrelevant other than to let you know that I was pretty good at what I was doing.

We were in a unique position in that we were a front line combat battalion and we were located on the largest rotary wing airfield in Europe.  This made for lots of various photo opportunities for visiting dignitaries.  We would get regular visits from various congress people and high ranking staff.  They loved having a half a dozen of us PIOs taking photos of them and hoping we would send them to some of the various hometown newspapers in the areas they represented.  They were always leaving us the information of what papers there were and even their addresses.  They all loved publicity with the troops and went to great lengths to have lots and lots of photo opportunities.  Of course we didn't have digital cameras yet so you couldn't do an instant review of a photo to see if it was great or just good...   so the rule was just take lots and lots of pictures.  The taxpayers were paying for the film so 'bar no expense' ;) ;) ;)

The worst experience I had was the time we had a group of 7 or 8 that were showing up in the next few days.  I was 20 at the time and not a follower of politics other than following events like the Kent State 'Massacre' and the many, many ongoing and very active war protests across the country. 

Because this was a relatively large group of dignitaries they had sent an advance group a few days ahead of time.  One of the advance people was in charge of setting up the 'backdrop' of what we would use behind the dignitaries for taking photos.  The typical backdrops were some of our armored vehicles and especially our M60 Main battle tanks...   they were huge and made for great photos.  The various helicopters were also popular.  In this case because there were several elected officials involved they were having trouble deciding who would make the final decision on what we used for a backdrop.  They spent hours discussing and out and out arguing.  That was one of first indoctrinations to politics and just how much time they wasted arguing about the things that aren't important and how little time they spent discussing the things that ARE important.

Then out of the 'blue' (literally) we woke up the next morning to about 60 of the large military transports that had flown in overnight (we had a conventional runway in addition to the rotary wing capabilities.  Most of the fixed wing traffic went to Rhein Main AFB at Frankfurt but in this particular case they were trying to keep the planes somewhat out of the news.  There was some kind of a disturbance going on in the Middle East (always has been...   probably always will be) and these planes were prepared to go to Jordan on a moments notice.  Anyway, it made the perfect photo backdrop so the arguing was all put aside after countless hours of my time and many other staff peoples time.

The whole point is that when a President (or most any high ranking dignitary) shows up in an area it is almost exclusively a 'photo opportunity' for said dignitary.   The 'boots on the ground' are pulled off their normal duties (in this case actually helping with hurricane relief) to work with all the staff photo and get the 'stage' ready for the big shots.  If the President and all his men (and women) would just stay the hell away from the scene much more work would get done on actual hurricane relief. 

With all the reconnaissance we have available today they can all sit very comfortably in DC and see much better what is actually going on than they can from showing up and making a flyover of the scene.  Especially with the damage in Puerto Rico there seems to be a lot of 'extra' red tape so DJT could do a lot more for the victims by staying home and pushing the red tape aside. 

It's too bad the public has ever gotten the idea that the President needs to show up at the scene to 'help' things along...   my experience has been just the opposite...   stay home and skip the photo op and get some work done.

Now, old salt (is that perhaps a reference to a US Navy member?),perhaps you'd like to share some of your first hand military experiences about the topic ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2017, 11:06:01 AM »

He spent 18 days in Houston treating people.  Had been home a couple of weeks and now was asked to head to PR.  Still haven't heard much about Houston or seen to many pics.  They were told while there to keep the pics stories off social media..
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It's interesting that both sides immediately blame 'the media' for everything but you've just mentioned part of the problem...   the government people in charge DO NOT want the real story getting out on social media...  especially if it's counter to what they're claiming is going on 8* 8* 8*
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2017, 12:07:11 PM »

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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2017, 12:10:27 PM »

They had something like 1500 cell towers and 1200 of them are blown down. That's going to take a while to get over.
On St Croix somebody stole one of the backup generators for an ATT tower. It's a federal offense but miraculously the generator showed back up 3 days later. Unfortunately for the criminal he forgot to wipe it for fingerprints and will probably be visiting a local prison some time soon.

I realize there is some 'overlap' of service for many towers but it still sounds like our mail gal in FL was fortunate to have gotten through to her family at all.

Why do the bad guys always think it's a good idea to return to the scene of the crime?

When you look at the complete devastation of many of the facilities on PR it's really a compliment to how solid those surviving cell phone towers must have been built.  I wonder how many of the ones around here would survive a hurricane and be back in service a few days later?
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2017, 01:14:11 PM »

What would you expect of the mayor of PR who is a democrat.  She early on praised the Trump Admin but i'm guessing she heard from Pelosi and Schumer..
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2017, 02:50:43 PM »



Interesting exchange between a FEMA Administrator and some MSNBC anchors.


MSNBC Anchors Clash With FEMA Administrator Over Response to Puerto Rico
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2017, 05:11:50 PM »

What would you expect of the mayor of PR who is a democrat.  She early on praised the Trump Admin but i'm guessing she heard from Pelosi and Schumer..

Yep.

Everything MUST be partisan.

Even within their own parties it would seem.

Not what the founders had in mind!
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2017, 10:48:48 PM »

PR is / was a bankrupt dump anyway
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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2017, 06:47:50 AM »

The US might as well move all the residents to New York or Miami with the rest of the worlds Porta Ricans.  Then just bulldoze everything and burn it up.  That the cheapest way out.  They owe billions that they can't repay. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2017, 06:51:55 AM »

PR is / was a bankrupt dump anyway

Hell yes, those 3 million people are not really Americans anyway.  America First!
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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2017, 09:23:31 AM »

Hell yes, those 3 million people are not really Americans anyway.  America First!

We could give it back to Spain with an apology note for stealing it?

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Re: Aid lags in hurricane-torn Puerto Rico
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2017, 09:55:45 AM »

Nice to see such positive comments on a Sunday morning!

Going back to Mav's post about the lack of cell phone service here's an article on how they're making use of satellite phones. 

 https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/09/29/satellite-phone-supply-running-out-all-head-puerto-rico/716968001/#


There are many places all around Florida and the Gulf in general that rent sat phones for the boater that wants to make the occasional 'offshore' run. 
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2017, 11:50:32 AM »

I was not trying to be negative.  The island is a total disaster from what we see and hear. 
The infrastructer is demolished.  The country is coorupt, more so than others.  They are $70 billion in debt that they will never be able to pay.
It just doesnt seems to make sence to rebuild any of it.  Move the people to the US or neighboring islands.
About all i ever heard about being any good from the place is their rum.
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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2017, 12:10:23 PM »

I was not trying to be negative.  The island is a total disaster from what we see and hear. 
The infrastructer is demolished.  The country is coorupt, more so than others.  They are $70 billion in debt that they will never be able to pay.
It just doesnt seems to make sence to rebuild any of it.  Move the people to the US or neighboring islands.
About all i ever heard about being any good from the place is their rum.

Worse than Illinois?  Worse than Chicago?

That is pretty bad!
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