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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 08:24:56 PM »

I told people when the videos first started surfacing that it wasn't an automatic weapon - and they told me I didn't know what I was talking about - it was clearly a machine gun.

When I can count the shots - that isn't an automatic weapon.  That is a semi-automatic with some kind of I don't care what I hit - but I want to put out a bunch of bullets - mostly legal POS device on it.

If they ban the sale of those - I have absolutely no issue with it.

But what if I'm out hunting and I get attacked by a herd of deer...

how will I ever be able to defend myself ??? ??? ???

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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 08:33:33 PM »

But what if I'm out hunting and I get attacked by a herd of deer...

how will I ever be able to defend myself ??? ??? ???



Grenade Launcher?

My Viet Nam Vet / Lions Game / Michigan Hockey buddy said it was his favorite weapon.

He said it was good for breaking up crowds.

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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 08:48:05 PM »

But what if I'm out hunting and I get attacked by a herd of deer...

how will I ever be able to defend myself ??? ??? ???




To each his own...   probably preferences tend to run with what you were most accustomed to.  I trained on grenade launchers in both basic and AIT but my personal preference was the 4" mortar...

it could handle way bigger crowds and you didn't even have to be up close to see all the blood and gore!



My MOS (military occupational specialty) was a mortar crewman.  11Charlie...   and yes, it does take an entire crew to handle one of those.  I was actually pretty good with them but unfortunately the skills I developed didn't transfer over to my civilian life very well.  Actually I picked up a lot of info for doing land surveys so I guess that was good.
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2017, 08:52:09 PM »

I guess if there was ever a time or a reason to steal a truck - this would be a good one.

I guess if it was my truck - I'd have to let the guy slide, and maybe buy him a beer.

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/10/989697-marine-veteran-las-vegas-concert-stole-truck-rush-dozens-shooting-victims-hospital/?utm_campaign=Conservative%20Daily&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=56967775&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-__nGhEf3dFciLgnNLuiD6O1_uxDTYOl7g7HWwUXO_OJuG12nSBTVBU9WczBdrC1mSBOUwzbDxbP7HS54GxPORf_wSBJA&_hsmi=56967775


He probably did the truck owner a favor by getting it away from the scene.  I wonder what the blood does long term to the paint though.

Did you ever see where a bloody crash victim has been on the road for a long time (dead and waiting for crash investigators is typical)...   the blood will literally dissolve something in the asphalt and you can see where they were even years later!
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 09:02:52 PM »

To each his own...   probably preferences tend to run with what you were most accustomed to.  I trained on grenade launchers in both basic and AIT but my personal preference was the 4" mortar...

it could handle way bigger crowds and you didn't even have to be up close to see all the blood and gore!



My MOS (military occupational specialty) was a mortar crewman.  11Charlie...   and yes, it does take an entire crew to handle one of those.  I was actually pretty good with them but unfortunately the skills I developed didn't transfer over to my civilian life very well.  Actually I picked up a lot of info for doing land surveys so I guess that was good.


He spent his tour and a half on the fire bases where they would blow off the top of a hill and then bring in the artillery to do fire support missions.  I'm guessing the 155 mm cannons were better than a mortar.

The grenade launcher was just for welcoming anyone who might decide to climb up the mountain to say "hi" to them.

He did mention once that if you thought an especially big crowd was hanging around and wanted to meet you - they would call in a B52 strike or two to make the jungle go away, and make everyone feel better about hanging around on the mountain top.

He said there was every toy an 18 year old would want to play with there, and all the beer you could drink.

When his tour was up he still had a few years of enlistment to go.  They told him he could go to the States or Europe for a few years - or serve 6 more months in the Nam and be done.  He took them up and stayed for 6 more months.  He said he wasn't having that bad of a time, and that got him on with his life that much sooner.  He didn't think he could handle Army chickenshit after hanging in Nam for a year.

Good guy.  Fun at a football game.

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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2017, 09:06:19 PM »

He probably did the truck owner a favor by getting it away from the scene.  I wonder what the blood does long term to the paint though.

Did you ever see where a bloody crash victim has been on the road for a long time (dead and waiting for crash investigators is typical)...   the blood will literally dissolve something in the asphalt and you can see where they were even years later!

I am guessing the smell of the blood in the interior would be tough to deal with.

Probably just ask your insurance company to replace the carpet and seats.....  That isn't going to clean out.  If they were lucky they had the hoseable floor.

Still - who cares?  In the big picture it is no big deal.  More important to get people to the hospital.
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2017, 09:08:28 PM »

It appears that photos from the room are leaking.    It appears that he left a note.











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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2017, 09:26:30 PM »

more photos:










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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 09:40:57 AM »

This is the photo that so quickly disappeared on me yesterday:



There is a photo floating around that shows where the shooter apparently shot at the door from inside apparently when hotel security approached the door.  He had cameras set up so he could observe the hallway.
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2017, 09:51:33 AM »

Note:  the photo I just posted above is one I grabbed from excelsior's excellent string of photos. 

I often hear someone say that some of these shooters (other criminals too) are motivated by all the notoriety they know they will receive even though they know they will most likely die or commit suicide during or after their crime.  Is there any way we can change tactics as a nation to where we avoid giving the criminal so much exposure?

I guess I can kind of answer my own question with the thought that then we would have even more citizens screaming 'cover up' or 'conspiracy theory' :-\ :-\ :-\

The very fact that the LV police are so upset over the release of the photos tends to create some immediate question of 'what are they hiding'?

Something I did notice in various stories I read last night and this morning is that almost every article mentions that police are fairly certain or somewhat certain that this was a single shooter operation. 
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2017, 10:47:06 AM »

I thought I read fairly early on in the investigation that among evidence seized from the shooter's property (somewhere) was some ammonium nitrate.  That is the fertilizer you mix with fuel oil if you want to blow up a federal building somewhere.  Definitely would not have been effective for his Las Vegas assault though.

I haven't heard any other mentions of this...   anyone else recall where and how much authorities may have found? 
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 10:48:34 AM »

It appears that photos from the room are leaking.    It appears that he left a note.

I haven't heard any details on the note yet...

is this going to be another closely guarded secret at this point?






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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2017, 10:56:39 AM »

He spent his tour and a half on the fire bases where they would blow off the top of a hill and then bring in the artillery to do fire support missions.  I'm guessing the 155 mm cannons were better than a mortar.

The grenade launcher was just for welcoming anyone who might decide to climb up the mountain to say "hi" to them.

He did mention once that if you thought an especially big crowd was hanging around and wanted to meet you - they would call in a B52 strike or two to make the jungle go away, and make everyone feel better about hanging around on the mountain top.

He said there was every toy an 18 year old would want to play with there, and all the beer you could drink.

When his tour was up he still had a few years of enlistment to go.  They told him he could go to the States or Europe for a few years - or serve 6 more months in the Nam and be done.  He took them up and stayed for 6 more months.  He said he wasn't having that bad of a time, and that got him on with his life that much sooner.  He didn't think he could handle Army chickenshit after hanging in Nam for a year.

Good guy.  Fun at a football game.

Yes, a 155 is better in some operations than a mortar but in other operations a mortar is superior.  Both are necessary for a well rounded infantry operation. 

Military weapons fall into 2 basic categories.  Direct fire (something you can see) and indirect fire (something you can't see). 

A mortar is actually a pretty basic weapon and it honestly would not be difficult to build one with a not so big machine shop.  I'm surprised that terrorists have not started using them as weapons of mass destruction.  Again, you can hit targets pretty accurately without being seen and from some distance away from the scene.  The 120 mm mortar has a range of 7200 meters...  that's more than a couple of miles!!!
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2017, 11:57:48 AM »

The girlfriend is back in the country and obviously facing some intense grilling. 

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Las-Vegas-gunmans-girlfriend-flown-back-to-US-449370013.html

Interesting list of prior occupations:

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Paddock had a business degree from Cal State Northridge. In the 1970s and ’80s, he worked as a mail carrier and an IRS agent and held down a job in an auditing division of the Defense Department, according to the government. He later worked for a defense contractor.


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He had no known criminal record, and public records showed no signs of financial troubles.


One of the very first stories I read Monday morning claimed he was a registered sex offender!  But there were also stories reporting  a completely different person as the shooter and they are in fact still receiving death threats!  I also recall at least one police department claiming he was 'on their radar'...

but for what?
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