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Russia Ties
« on: October 21, 2017, 10:24:24 AM »

It appears that Russia has been influencing U.S. government officials for years.   It is getting hard to track all of the stories:


Trump's former campaign chief Paul Manafort

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort 'had a $60million business relationship with Putin-linked Russian oligarch'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4980578/Paul-Manafort-60million-link-Russian-oligarch.html#ixzz4w9PsdMzA



Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Robert Mueller, Bill Clinton and James Comey

FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration?amp

Supporting Indictment Affidavit

https://www.scribd.com/document/361782806/Indictment-Affidavit#from_embed


Fusion GPS was the company paid to generate Steele/Trump Dossier that helped get a Special Counsel investigation started.

Byron York: In dossier probe, Fusion GPS asks court to stop House from seeing bank records
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-in-dossier-probe-fusion-gps-asks-court-to-stop-house-from-seeing-bank-records/article/2638187

News-For-Hire Scandal Deepens: ‘Fusion GPS’ Sleazy Venezuela Links Shed New Light on Trump Dossier
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/241812/news-for-hire-scandal-deepens-gps-fusion-sleazy-venezuela-links-shed-new-light-on-trump-dossier



Hillary Clinton’s former campaign chief John Podesta

Uncovering the Russia ties of Hillary’s campaign chief
http://nypost.com/2017/07/05/uncovering-the-russia-ties-of-hillarys-campaign-chief/


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Re: Russia Ties
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 10:42:21 AM »
Appears that it has been happening for years...

Does that mean it's the new 'status quo' and we should just ignore it or accept it?

Does anyone have any idea that we (the US Government) are / aren't doing similar actions in Russia?
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 10:55:31 AM »
I don't find it unusual that US business are parterning with Russian businesses.  They partner with business in about every country..
Now it just makes good press to add fuel to the media fire about Trump colluding with the Russians because crooked Hillary lost the election.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 11:10:11 AM »
No doubt blue, that's what the global economy brought us!

I do find it a little ironic that we in America outright object to foreign influence in our government, yet most think nothing of our decades of manipulating foreign country affairs and government overthrows. It was going to come back on us someday.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 10:34:07 PM »
LOL  careful what you ask for - It was only time before they started going deeper than the election...

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How do you say 'whoops' in Russian? Podesta Group retroactively files more DOJ disclosures for pro-Putin work


The Podesta Group belatedly filed several new disclosures with the Justice Department on Aug. 17 related to work the firm completed between 2012 and 2014 on behalf of a pro-Russia Ukrainian think tank.

Back in April, the powerful Washington lobbying firm run by Clinton ally Tony Podesta filed a document admitting its work for the pro-Russia European Centre for a Modern Ukraine may have principally benefited a foreign government. New disclosures revealed dozens of previously unreported interactions the firm made with influential government offices, including Hillary Clinton's State Department and the office of former Vice President Joe Biden, while lobbying on behalf of the center. Embattled ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort failed to disclose his extensive lobbying efforts on behalf of the center at the time as well.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-do-you-say-whoops-in-russian-podesta-group-retroactively-files-more-doj-disclosures-for-pro-putin-work/article/2632538
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Re: Russia Ties
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 02:35:57 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 09:11:32 PM »



Follow the money:   Clinton/DNC >> Fusion GPS >> Russian dossier author Christopher Steele


Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier

The Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund research that resulted in a now-famous dossier containing allegations about President Trump’s connections to Russia and possible coordination between his campaign and the Kremlin, people familiar with the matter said.

Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.

After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 09:21:23 PM »
Quote from: The Fuzz on October 24, 2017, 02:35:57 PM
Came across breaking news just a bit ago.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/24/house-launches-two-new-investigfaioginvestigations-obama-administrations-approval-uranium-sale-russi/794175001/



I was surprised that USA Today left out this small detail that the previous DOJ made a whistleblower sign a NDA.

FBI informant blocked from telling Congress about Russia nuclear corruption case, lawyer says

An American businessman who worked for years undercover as an FBI confidential witness was blocked by the Obama Justice Department from telling Congress about conversations and transactions he witnessed related to the Russian nuclear industry's efforts to win favor with Bill and Hillary Clinton and influence Obama administration decisions, his lawyer tells The Hill.


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355937-fbi-informant-blocked-from-telling-congress-about-russia-nuclear
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 10:21:44 PM »
The worm has turned. All along I thought the "Trump Collusion" story was bogus and would end up biting the Dems in the butt. Come to find out it's much worse for Dem's than I ever imagined. The Uranium One scandal is going to explode. While, as always seems the case, most all of the miscreants will get off with a slap on the wrist at best,  there is a chance with Pukes in charge of the Senate, the FBI, the Justice Department, and the Presidency it's possible justice will be served. Then again, too many times, I've seen slam dunk criminal behavior (IRS scandal, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Hillary Email etc.) drag out and slowly slip beneath the waves with barely a ripple. The question is will the swamp win out again?
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 10:33:21 AM »
John, i'm not getting my hopes up.  There aren't too many republicans jumping on this at the moment.
The first thing they should be calling for is Mueller to end his witch hunt..  If he has some facts to lead on then he should tell Congress about it and they allow him to continue.  But after about a year if he has nothing they should pull the plug. It appears that most of obamas staff is the where the focus should be.  But a number of them are black.. So that would be racists..
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 12:37:35 PM »

That sound that you hear is the new leadership of the DNC throwing the old DNC leadership under a Russian bus.   


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Re: Russia Ties
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2017, 08:20:17 PM »
News Break!

Russia didn't kill JFK! 

Of course....  we can't trust them.....  They are the evil Empire again - now that Obama isn't in office.

I have to ask - is this a joke?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4773628/jfk-assassination-files-russia-denies-being-behind-presidents-murder-hours-before-donald-trump-has-even-released-classified-docs/
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2017, 09:39:38 PM »
CIA refusing to release some documents. Has to be information the government is embarassed about or points to another major coverup..
Trump not going to roll over and let the democrats hide behind this..
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2017, 10:28:08 AM »
What I understood from the news this morning that Trump had the option to release all, but under advisement from the CIA and FBI to hold back on release of several pages for 6 months so they could jointly review and decide to release the remainder or not.
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2017, 10:37:13 AM »
That's what i heard too.  But they've had how many years to read over this stuff? 
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