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Total Members Voted: 23

[Lithunica]

Shouldn't there be...?

Perhaps, but...

Cloning plants is morally acceptable
Plants are Organisms
Animals are Organisms
Would this make cloning animals morally acceptable?

[zard0z]

Cloning organism is cloning organism, the only difference is in complexity of the process, most of us who have ever bought food have eaten eggs which have been exposed to radiation, met that have been pumped with chemicals, vegetables which have been planted in the artificially enriched soil Cloning would become just another way of production (regarding food) especially after using this for years with plants - isn't the next logical step to move up into more complex systems?
And they have artificially created sperm cells, by using stem cells from a bone marrow, and from what I understand it has the potential to treat infertility.
Here is some information about that if you are interested - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm

Now explain to me why it's so logical to manipulate DNA and create our own creatures...Making sperm cells from bone marrow...Surly you jest...

I think Nature does a fine enough job...

[zard0z]

Perhaps, but...

Cloning plants is morally acceptable
Plants are Organisms
Animals are Organisms
Would this make cloning animals morally acceptable?

Yeah, if you think in circles, it makes perfect sense... *

An animal is not the same as a plant...You just can't use the same school of thought for both...
You wouldn't study botany to become a veterinarian would you...?

[marilyn.monroe]

Cloning organism is cloning organism, the only difference is in complexity of the process, most of us who have ever bought food have eaten eggs which have been exposed to radiation, met that have been pumped with chemicals, vegetables which have been planted in the artificially enriched soil Cloning would become just another way of production (regarding food) especially after using this for years with plants - isn't the next logical step to move up into more complex systems?
And they have artificially created sperm cells, by using stem cells from a bone marrow, and from what I understand it has the potential to treat infertility.
Here is some information about that if you are interested - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm

You eat a cloned human then if there's no difference to ya.
Adult stem cell research has led to legitimate applicable treatments, human embryo abuse has not.
Maybe a person is infertile for a reason.
God's will?
The theory of evolution? Natural selection...survival of the fittest?

Adopting a child might be an answer.

[zard0z]

You eat a cloned human then if there's no difference to ya.
Adult stem cell research has led to legitimate applicable treatments, human embryo abuse has not.
Maybe a person is infertile for a reason.
God's will?
The theory of evolution? Natural selection...survival of the fittest?

Adopting a child might be an answer.

I agree with that, if someone is infertile, what is so wrong with adopting(there sure are enough orphans to go around)...?   With that in mind, there is NO reasonable cause for someone to create a person in a lab...!

Though, I don't see the connection with evolution...

[marilyn.monroe]

I agree with that, if someone is infertile, what is so wrong with adopting(there sure are enough orphans to go around)...?   With that in mind, there is NO reasonable cause for someone to create a person in a lab...!

Though, I don't see the connection with evolution...

Darwin expounding on evolution? Survival of the fittest?
Not my opinion. Have we come to an age where physicality doesn't matter anymore? Isn't the brain only so good as the body that carries it?

[zard0z]

Darwin expounding on evolution? Survival of the fittest?
Not my opinion. Have we come to an age where physicality doesn't matter anymore? Isn't the brain only so good as the body that carries it?

Not your opinion...?   Then what are you getting at...?

Are you saying that some people are doomed to fail...?

[marilyn.monroe]

Not your opinion...?   Then what are you getting at...?

Are you saying that some people are doomed to fail...?

I am saying that in the Darwinian school of evolutionary thot, the "unfit" (old, young, injured, physically challenged, etc) are naturally weeded out of the chain. Only those with the strongest genes survive to reproduce. If your infertile, you obviously can't reproduce.
Do I believe in natural selection? To some extent. I think we need to examine the age we are in now, but if it was all taken away I do think natural selection would come into play.
Brain vs. Brawn?
This world might be a better place if men fought with their fists and not bombs.

I don't think anyone is doomed to fail as far as their eternal soul is concerned.

[zard0z]

the "unfit" (old, young, injured, physically challenged, etc) are naturally weeded out of the chain.

I can only hope...LOL

 

[marilyn.monroe]

I can only hope...LOL

 

Ya! @ least Nascar is on!

[Greg Chamberlain]

Have we come across any real good reasons to resrict or label cloned meat or are we still at the "ewww cooties" phase?

[zard0z]

Have we come across any real good reasons to resrict or label cloned meat or are we still at the "ewww cooties" phase?

Label it, YES... Other than that, eat all you want...

I still frown on the science...

[marilyn.monroe]

Have we come across any real good reasons to resrict or label cloned meat or are we still at the "ewww cooties" phase?

We frown on incest in this country for a reason. It puts whole new meaning to your "uncle father brother cousin."

I am still at the "there is no need for cloned meat" phase.

[zard0z]

I am still at the "there is no need for cloned meat" phase.

That's just it, I don't see the "need" for doing it either...Filling American grocery stores with cloned meat(which will cost more) isn't close to helping starving people, if that's what some people have a mind to think the purpose of all this is about...