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Jessica Havens

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Hire Michigan First plan
« on: August 15, 2007, 11:19:59 AM »

State Reps. Kate Ebli and Kathy Angerer are teaming up to introduce a plan that would require businesses requesting state incentives to hire an all-Michigan work force. What do you think of this idea? Do you think this would become a problem for Monroe County, with some companies hiring people from nearby Toledo?

It is of note that existing companies would be grandfathered into this plan. But new companies seeking aid would have to meet the requirements.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 12:11:36 PM »

Now here is a novel idea.
Let's see, how many people have already left Michigan?
Now we are going to prevent, through coercion, a business owner from hiring or bringing in his/her own people to run his/her own business. Another socialist tactic?

Sounds like another version or manipulation of affirmative action. We already have a Michigan Constitutional Amendment barring that practice.

As Henry Kissinger said, "The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer."
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 12:13:08 PM »

I don't like it, because it's putting a further brake on new businesses by making another administrative hurdle.

Old businesses can hire and fire as they please, but new businesses have to hire from a dwindling pool of available "locals?" This is especially bad for Monroe, where most folks my age are heading out of town as fast as they can.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 12:34:19 PM »

That is absolutely ridiculous! :o

More of FDRs New Deal band aids. Tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, regulate, regulate, regulate!

Don't look for these two politicans to lead Michigan out of this mess.

I think Monroe needs to change state reps in the 55th and 56th Districts.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 12:48:07 PM »

My only response is to see the first 3 replies.  Pretty much sums it up.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 12:50:25 PM »

That is absolutely ridiculous! :o

More of FDRs New Deal band aids. Tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, regulate, regulate, regulate!

Don't look for these two politicans to lead Michigan out of this mess.

I think Monroe needs to change state reps in the 55th and 56th Districts.

Hey, I'm running... ;)
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 09:23:32 PM »

Seal off the state border and then broadcast to the world Michigan is open for business. It
seems every time I read the latest proposal of the Honorable Reps. Angerer and Ebli I have
to shake my head.

Lets say I own an out of state construction or environmental business etc. and I'm considering
doing some business with the state of Michigan. Checking it out I find on one hand I must meet a tangle of requirements, regulations and various strings attached (like all my employees must live in Michigan), but on the other hand the state is so desperate for me to come they will give me a number of financial inducements, tax credits etc.

So my decisions comes down to this. After factoring in the regulatory costs versus the various
generous taxpayer funded inducements offered by the state of Michigan will I find myself in a
position where I end up with a competitive advantage over existing Michigan firms bidding
against me, whom don't have a state paid subsidies, or not?. And if it does work to my advantage 
how does this benefit Michigan?

There  are other arguments that can be made against this proposal, but it boils down to this. Is Michigan going to become a business friendly environment with low taxes and a small regulatory
burden, or a state where business finds it must to contort itself from time to time to adjust next lunacy eminating from our state legislators. These two need to be shown the door. 




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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2007, 10:03:17 PM »

Going beyond this latest proposal. There have been a number of issues these two have proposed,
and every forum post has hammered them with not even a single post defending them. How could this be when they were elected by the majority?   
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2007, 11:01:12 PM »

Going beyond this latest proposal. There have been a number of issues these two have proposed,
and every forum post has hammered them with not even a single post defending them. How could this be when they were elected by the majority?   



Products of low voter turn out ,better known as APATHY and politics in general attracting party line people that owe their soul to lobby interest  and to party solidarity.

I have been told that the measure of how good or bad a legislature is, is based upon their ability to sponsor or co sponsor legislation that is actually drafted in to law.

Kate and Kathy are feaverishly trying to make their mark in Lansing so they can come back to their districts and tell you what a great job they are doing for us  and why we should continue to have them represent us.

I for one never really expected to see much value in their presence in Lansing and they certainly have not disappointed me .

Neither of them are very good about responding back on communications and correspondence sent to them  unless it may be an issue that really attracts them.

I have written both regarding their feelings on a Equal Parenting bill  HB4564 which gives BOTH PARENTS equal opportunity and access to their children but their continual ignoring of my questions tells me they are better Democrats then they are representatives of their congressional districts.

One of their peers Rep. Brenda Clack who represents the Flint area which has the distict honor of being second only to Detroit in crime and fatherless single parent households,  has single handed  prevented her committee( Family and Children's Services ) from bringing this bill up for discussion and advancing to the full House.

More important to hold party line and let family friendly bills die a slow death in committee while you are trying to push through bills that create an exclusive arena ( monopoly ) instead of an inclusive arena ( free enterprise ) in the way we do business.

Kind of how I perceive all these ladies thoughts are regarding who best to raise children . One Parent
( monopoly) Both Parents  ( Free enterprise ).

Elections are coming soon ladies!!!
  J. Pat Mc Elligott     
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2007, 05:48:07 PM »

I see the MEN editorial weighed in on the awful proposal Ebli and Angerer are pushing.
What really gets me is the apathy of the citizens of this county.  MEN even tried to steer
people to this subject, but the lack of viewers and comments speaks volumes.

Folks if you don't give a darn about the bumblers you elected to legislature and the counter-
productive proposals they come up with then you deserve the mess this state finds itself
in.

Frankly, if one looks at the popularity of the fluff topics compared to ones of substance,
like this one, it does not bode well for the future of this state, or the country for that
matter, when citizens can't be bothered to paticipate in shaping their own future.   
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2007, 08:43:13 PM »

It always makes me queasy when the state government wants to tell business owners who they can and cannot hire. It reminds me of some spin off of affirmative action, which was sorely voted down in this state. How do Ebli and Angerer keep coming up with these nuggets of brilliance. Scary. :P
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2007, 09:24:40 AM »

WHAT WHAT WHAT is this nonsense... nah... never happen..

Hell I am just getting use to getting Blown Away!!!

Go Jenny GO!!! Blow 'em all away!!!

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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2007, 09:26:47 AM »

Should put in ammendment for border counties. Say only need to hire 80%.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2007, 10:31:07 AM »

How about getting r id of the state aid for private business and save us a few $billion?
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2007, 05:51:40 PM »

I for one have had enough of government in my business and private life!  What a waste of taxpayers dollars. >:(

Don't you remember the bombardment of commercials last election season? "I'm fighting for you on this.... I'm fighting for you on that...... I support oxygenated air for the poor and middle class...." They're only here to help!  ::) :D
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