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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2007, 11:05:53 AM »

Where do I apply?  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2007, 11:21:37 AM »

Vote for Eik in 2008, 56th district ;)

In all seriousness, it is pretty annoying that legislators seem to be pumping out useless bills. On the other hand, issues like "health care" and "jobs" can't be boiled down into a single bill, or even half a dozen. You can't pass "Make more Jobs act of 2009" and expect hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs to come in.

On top of that, if the legislators actually focus on these issues, but spend a lot of time researching and looking for answers, they won't be introducing anything to the legislature so the public thinks they're lazy and do-nothings.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I suppose the best course of action would be to email/write your representative. If enough people go "enough with the fluff!", perhaps they'll stop.

55th: Kathy Angerer: 517-373-1792  kathyangerer@house.mi.gov
56th: Kate Ebli: 517-373-2617   KateEbli@house.mi.gov
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2007, 12:05:02 PM »

I would be happy if they at least started the effort to get something of substance done in dealing with our lagging economy.  No, they can't legislate jobs, but they can improve the environment in which business exists in Michigan...I've seen nothing that has attempted to improve this.  Nothing.  Continued talk of more taxes...to pay for more government.  Sorry, but that's not what we need.  Everyone ran on the "talk" of diversifying our economy.  But, no one has done anything to make that a remote reality...this bill for example would actually hurt attempts to diversify our economy.  Maybe if we put a bunch of windmills in Lansing we could power our state with all that hot air blowing up there... :)

I agree, diversifying the industries Michigan has is what's sorely needed. Get some high-tech industries to blossom around Ann Arbor's area (tax breaks? Maybe). Laud the beautiful landscape of Western and Northern Michigan. Get into the internet for God's sake (there are a LOT of tech entrepreneurs in Ann Arbor, but they don't have any outside support, it's like a tiny bubble in AA). Coax health related industries back into Michigan.

What we need less of is automotive industries running the state.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2007, 12:40:40 PM »

Part of the problem with this thread is that the politicians can't solve the issue, they can only manage the cards they have been dealt.  Look at the cards these folks have been dealt...you can't turn a 2 of spades into an ace.  They can manage the issues perfectly and we still won't see results for maybe as much as an entire generation, we're just too far down the bad path at this point.  This is not an argument for or against either of them, as I happen to believe that one of the two is excellent and the other poor - average.  Regardless, Michigan is in trouble for the foreseeable future and anyone who states they can quickly fix it is truly a 'false advertiser'. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2007, 03:23:14 PM »

Part of the problem with this thread is that the politicians can't solve the issue, they can only manage the cards they have been dealt.  Look at the cards these folks have been dealt...you can't turn a 2 of spades into an ace.  They can manage the issues perfectly and we still won't see results for maybe as much as an entire generation, we're just too far down the bad path at this point.  This is not an argument for or against either of them, as I happen to believe that one of the two is excellent and the other poor - average.  Regardless, Michigan is in trouble for the foreseeable future and anyone who states they can quickly fix it is truly a 'false advertiser'. 

Agreed, it will take a lot of time and effort. People generally don't think more than six months in advance, though, so politicians are always looking for something that looks good come election year.

Basically, if Michigan is to survive it needs to retool its entire manufacturing base into something else. Manufacturing jobs are going to countries that have more people for less money, so we can't compete there. We can compete with intellectual property output, design, services (not the fast food kind, but architecture, engineering, etc), and so on. This means more college-bound kids going to top-notch, well-funded public universities (U of M is one of the best in the world) and, most importantly, keeping them in Michigan.

Most of my friends with degrees have high paying jobs... elsewhere. Ohio, Colorado, Georgia. The ones that stay in Michigan? Engineers substitute teaching at elementary schools, maybe selling some appliances at Sears if they're lucky...

Michigan needs a sea change and it needs to start happening soon.
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 10:31:19 AM »

Part of the problem with this thread is that the politicians can't solve the issue, they can only manage the cards they have been dealt.  Look at the cards these folks have been dealt...you can't turn a 2 of spades into an ace.  They can manage the issues perfectly and we still won't see results for maybe as much as an entire generation, we're just too far down the bad path at this point.  This is not an argument for or against either of them, as I happen to believe that one of the two is excellent and the other poor - average.  Regardless, Michigan is in trouble for the foreseeable future and anyone who states they can quickly fix it is truly a 'false advertiser'. 

Yes! But they have the power to change the deck! They are unwilling to make the needed changes either for political reasons or just plain ignorance.

In a free state why do politicians manage our everyday lives? :o

I think the performance from the State Reps from the 55th and 56th are poor at best. (surprised?)
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2007, 11:43:25 AM »

I have to agree, one perhaps much worse than the other, but neither is buring up the town with their work ethic.  We elected two "followers" and no leaders.  Both will tow the line and basically follow the Party's or Governor's lead on almost everything - even if it is not in our district's best interest.  Sad. :(

Vote for Eikenberry in 2008 for 56th! :D (end shameless plug)
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 11:08:40 AM »

Now here is a novel idea.
Let's see, how many people have already left Michigan?
Now we are going to prevent, through coercion, a business owner from hiring or bringing in his/her own people to run his/her own business. Another socialist tactic?

Sounds like another version or manipulation of affirmative action. We already have a Michigan Constitutional Amendment barring that practice.


I completely agree.

The best thing government can do to aid Michigan's economy is to reduce taxes then  GET OUT OF THE WAY.  Don't tie the hands of businesses or saddle them with new requirements, etc. . . . we'd all be a lot better off with less government interference in our lives . . . quit expecting government to step in and try to "fix" eveything that's going wrong in the business world or in our society . . . let the marketplace decide which businesses succeed and fail . . . I'm sick of people expecting the government to do everything for them . . . sorry folks, bad things happen to businesses and people; it's not the government's job to play the overindulgent parent and bail out every business or person who has difficulty . . . hey you taxpayers out there, do you ENJOY having big chunks of the money that YOU earn be used for all of these government programs? Wouldn't you like to keep MORE of your paycheck and spend it the way YOU want to?

(Gee, I sound like a conservative . . . )
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2007, 11:26:34 AM »

Now here is a novel idea.
Let's see, how many people have already left Michigan?
Now we are going to prevent, through coercion, a business owner from hiring or bringing in his/her own people to run his/her own business. Another socialist tactic?

Sounds like another version or manipulation of affirmative action. We already have a Michigan Constitutional Amendment barring that practice.


I completely agree.

The best thing government can do to aid Michigan's economy is to reduce taxes then  GET OUT OF THE WAY.  Don't tie the hands of businesses or saddle them with new requirements, etc. . . . we'd all be a lot better off with less government interference in our lives . . . quit expecting government to step in and try to "fix" eveything that's going wrong in the business world or in our society . . . let the marketplace decide which businesses succeed and fail . . . I'm sick of people expecting the government to do everything for them . . . sorry folks, bad things happen to businesses and people; it's not the government's job to play the overindulgent parent and bail out every business or person who has difficulty . . . hey you taxpayers out there, do you ENJOY having big chunks of the money that YOU earn be used for all of these government programs? Wouldn't you like to keep MORE of your paycheck and spend it the way YOU want to?

(Gee, I sound like a conservative . . . )




No! You sound like an American.

A person that loves the individual freedoms guaranteed to us by our Constitution.

 I'm also tired of other people trying to confiscate more of my earnings through taxation and then pass it out for their "good cause"!
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Re: Hire Michigan First plan
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2007, 02:40:04 PM »

[(Gee, I sound like a conservative . . . )




No! You sound like an American.


Actually, I am a conservative American . . and proud of it!! ;)
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