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Re: Abortion is evil...
« Reply #210 on: January 25, 2009, 09:14:34 AM »

Hey everyone, abortion is certainly not a great thing, but why not at least try promoting adoption in Monroe County.


You're right abortion is not a great thing, it's not even a good thing...But I also see a problem with adoption as it just puts the burden of unwanted children on society...Sure there are a few good families out there who could take them in, but not everyone can or should adopt a child mearly out of guilt of compassion.  Better sex education and instilling a greater common sense is the only way to "fix" the problem.  People need to think about their actions more and be more responsible.  Education is the bottom line...The more I look around the more I'm convinced we live in a society of simple minded folks, but how can you teach a person basic common sense...?
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California Law (AB154) Abortion Providers could include Nurses, Nurse Midwifes
« Reply #211 on: August 27, 2013, 02:02:52 PM »

First of all, yes, I am “pro-life” however I am not without an understanding that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land and as such deserves to be upheld and respected. 

That being the case, I am not sure how I feel about a current bill in California (AB154) introduced by Assemblywoman Toni Atkins (D – San Diego).  The bill would allow Nurse Practitioners, Certified Nurse Midwifes and Physician Assistants to perform abortions.  I don’t question the competency of the providers but wonder if this is a good direction. 

The State of California has allowed a pilot program since 2007 that has allowed some 8,000 abortions to be preformed by non-doctors.  The program has a very low error rate (below 2%).  Currently Oregon, Montana, Vermont and New Hampshire allow Nurse Practitioners to perform abortions and in the story reports that they can also administer medication to induce an abortion in California.     

I guess my concern here is that I still see California as being a catalyst for change in the United States and wonder if the bill is passed will it be long before we see other states following this direction (although some already have) and is it possible that some states will not have the oversight that (I assume) California has on providers.  Sure, this is a hypothetical on my part but after the recent trial of Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia it does not seem out of order, IMO. 

I wonder if this “direction” will be followed on other medical procedures and if such changes could result in a cost reduction for medical care. 

 http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/26/bill-would-let-non-physicians-perform-abortions/
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First of all, yes, I am “pro-life” however I am not without an understanding that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land and as such deserves to be upheld and respected. 

That being the case, I am not sure how I feel about a current bill in California (AB154) introduced by Assemblywoman Toni Atkins (D – San Diego).  The bill would allow Nurse Practitioners, Certified Nurse Midwifes and Physician Assistants to perform abortions.  I don’t question the competency of the providers but wonder if this is a good direction. 

The State of California has allowed a pilot program since 2007 that has allowed some 8,000 abortions to be preformed by non-doctors.  The program has a very low error rate (below 2%).  Currently Oregon, Montana, Vermont and New Hampshire allow Nurse Practitioners to perform abortions and in the story reports that they can also administer medication to induce an abortion in California.     

I guess my concern here is that I still see California as being a catalyst for change in the United States and wonder if the bill is passed will it be long before we see other states following this direction (although some already have) and is it possible that some states will not have the oversight that (I assume) California has on providers.  Sure, this is a hypothetical on my part but after the recent trial of Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia it does not seem out of order, IMO. 

I wonder if this “direction” will be followed on other medical procedures and if such changes could result in a cost reduction for medical care. 

 http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/26/bill-would-let-non-physicians-perform-abortions/


Is the demand for abortions so high that they can't find enough DR's to do the job?
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First of all, yes, I am “pro-life” however I am not without an understanding that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land and as such deserves to be upheld and respected. 

That being the case, I am not sure how I feel about a current bill in California (AB154) introduced by Assemblywoman Toni Atkins (D – San Diego).  The bill would allow Nurse Practitioners, Certified Nurse Midwifes and Physician Assistants to perform abortions.  I don’t question the competency of the providers but wonder if this is a good direction. 

The State of California has allowed a pilot program since 2007 that has allowed some 8,000 abortions to be preformed by non-doctors.  The program has a very low error rate (below 2%).  Currently Oregon, Montana, Vermont and New Hampshire allow Nurse Practitioners to perform abortions and in the story reports that they can also administer medication to induce an abortion in California.     

I guess my concern here is that I still see California as being a catalyst for change in the United States and wonder if the bill is passed will it be long before we see other states following this direction (although some already have) and is it possible that some states will not have the oversight that (I assume) California has on providers.  Sure, this is a hypothetical on my part but after the recent trial of Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia it does not seem out of order, IMO. 

I wonder if this “direction” will be followed on other medical procedures and if such changes could result in a cost reduction for medical care. 

 http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/26/bill-would-let-non-physicians-perform-abortions/


How do you feel about NP's being able to prescribe drugs then? 

I see a NP in town over a doctor because I feel she's much more personable and spends more time with me than my previous doctor.
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How do you feel about NP's being able to prescribe drugs then? 

I see a NP in town over a doctor because I feel she's much more personable and spends more time with me than my previous doctor.

Do you let your NP do surgical procedures on you?
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Re: Abortion is evil...
« Reply #215 on: August 30, 2013, 02:58:26 PM »

How do you feel about NP's being able to prescribe drugs then? 

I see a NP in town over a doctor because I feel she's much more personable and spends more time with me than my previous doctor.

Actually I am fine with that.  I am also not sold that allowing them to do abortions is a bad idea - I don't know. 
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« Reply #216 on: August 30, 2013, 06:03:44 PM »

I'm standing by with my shop0 vac if anyone needs a quick D&C.... ;D
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« Reply #217 on: August 30, 2013, 06:54:54 PM »

I'm standing by with my shop0 vac if anyone needs a quick D&C.... ;D

I hope you are joking,  but please refrain from being so insensitive on such a sensitive subject......and yes, I do take the subject of abortion very seriously....probably too much so but there it is....
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« Reply #218 on: August 30, 2013, 08:13:51 PM »

I hope you are joking,  but please refrain from being so insensitive on such a sensitive subject......and yes, I do take the subject of abortion very seriously....probably too much so but there it is....

Is he being insensitive - or is he in fact making light what an abortion procedure actually consists of?

It is a disgusting procedure with disgusting results usually done for disgusting reasons.

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« Reply #219 on: August 31, 2013, 01:03:56 AM »

It is a disgusting procedure with disgusting results usually done for disgusting reasons.


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Re: Abortion is evil...
« Reply #220 on: August 31, 2013, 06:24:56 AM »

Is he being insensitive - or is he in fact making light what an abortion procedure actually consists of?

It is a disgusting procedure with disgusting results usually done for disgusting reasons.



not sure....and I absolutely agree with your post about it being disgusting.....but sometimes I think people say things that may sound funny in their heads but come across as insensitive....
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