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Child abuse?
« on: August 20, 2007, 06:07:33 PM »

What criteria must be met to report child abuse to child protective services? If you do not directly know the family and can only see/hear their potential abuse, is this enough? Are names released if you do report it?
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 06:12:44 PM »

You might want to follow the below link.
Good Luck.
http://www.michigan.gov/dhs/0,1607,7-124-5452_7119-21208--,00.html
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2007, 06:49:54 PM »

really it just takes a phone call and you do remain anonymous...
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 07:04:49 PM »

really it just takes a phone call and you do remain anonymous...

That's kind of frightening - so if someone is mad at you then can just call CPS on you anonymously? I know they'd come to investigate and not just charge you right away, but I'm sure it'd be hassle.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 08:10:54 PM »

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That's kind of frightening - so if someone is mad at you then can just call CPS on you anonymously? I know they'd come to investigate and not just charge you right away, but I'm sure it'd be hassle.

It sounds scary when you put it that way.  But, keep in mind that many reported cases are not investigated because they do not meet criteria.  I am sure that DHS is judicious with this, however, mistakes can be made. 
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 08:35:17 PM »

My husband is a retired State of Michigan child protective Worker, So I asked him. He said if you see bruises or marks on the child,They will be out to check within 24 hours. If you hear what you think may be abuse through an apartment wall, or home next door, you may report it, but it is not certain they will check. They can not release your name if you request anonymity, it is not legal to do so. I hope this helps.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 08:44:11 PM »

My husband is a retired State of Michigan child protective Worker, So I asked him. He said if you see bruises or marks on the child,They will be out to check within 24 hours. If you hear what you think may be abuse through an apartment wall, or home next door, you may report it, but it is not certain they will check. They can not release your name if you request anonymity, it is not legal to do so. I hope this helps.

Very helpful.  What are the consequences for something audible but not necessarily visible?
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 09:03:28 PM »

All it takes is a pissed off neighbor and you like can be turned up side down. Once you get in the system it is heel to get out. No matter what you do it will forever on your record somewhere that you were under supision  and if anything remotely close happen , you are concidered guilty until proven innocent. Kinda like on your job, if someone reports sexual harrasment you are escorted off the property until an invertigation is completed. And you are proven innocent.

I think it is abusive if you fail to teach your child to obey you. You see these young kids having fits if they are told no in public. What happen to the days when you were brought up with fear. Fear of getting a whoppin of you acted up? Kids today are raised to all think they are good kids that sometimes make bad choices. how about bad parents that failed and the bad kids are a produce of the bad parents.
 Now I know I'm about to get beat up but I said what I feel,, so have at it..
One last thing,, " If when you are talking to your kid and the kid always has to have the last word'''' you failed
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2007, 09:05:55 PM »

Depending upon what you hear, and the protective worker you speak with, they may come out for a visit. If the children are younger it may help. I sometimes think it is easier to get the humane society out to check on a dog.
If you hear what sounds like real violence call 911. At least it would get things rolling.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2007, 09:11:57 PM »

Any parent that raises a child that fears him/her is a failure as a parent. You can have good kids without fear of physical abuse by being consistent, firm, and a loving parent. Fear should never enter the picture
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2007, 09:18:21 PM »

Sometimes spanking is very necessary but as a last resort. “Spare the rod, spoil the child”.
There’s a whole thread about corporal punishment so let’s get back to the abuse issue.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2007, 09:27:22 PM »

...but should I be able to hear that spank that is done in a house in my backyard?
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2007, 09:36:19 PM »

...but should I be able to hear that spank that is done in a house in my backyard?

...that would be a hell of a spank. A spank that's not necessary, probably.

I was spanked as a kid, but it was usually a whap on my butt to keep me from being an idiot. No malice.
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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2007, 09:46:43 PM »

I can imagine sitting in my backyard and hearing a commotion going on which would cause me to become quiet and naturally the senses would be amplified.
Perhaps it was the crying from punishing an insolent child that you heard.
If the buttocks were the only thing injured then I would say to MYOB and butt out.
On the other hand if you’ve seen bruises or something to indicate abuse then do the right thing and report it.

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May be what happened to the other libs as well.

I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

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2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

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Re: Child abuse?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2007, 09:51:19 PM »

Our housesitter has similar stories that involve profanity, screams, and hitting; she heard them from inside our house with the windows closed.  I'm mostly wondering if I'm getting a series of pieces to a puzzle.  There are a lot of small things that may or may not be signs for a bigger problem. Problem is, you're right, I don't want to butt in if nothing is wrong. However, it would be a horrible injustice to the children if something was wrong and no one ever stepped in on their behalf. I keep thinking of David Pelzer and how no one said anything for him.  Though probably this situation is not as bad, I don't know that I should be the one to define that.
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