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NTurner

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Political Opinion Poll
« on: August 25, 2007, 12:26:50 PM »

Vote for the political party which you most closely align and then explain why you feel the way that you do.

For those of the Republican, Libertarian and Conservative frame of mind the Monroe County Republican Party is launching a Young Republican Chapter in Monroe County. 

We want to inform young Republicans, Libertarians and Conservatives who want to be involved to contact Nicholas Turner at

nicholasd_turner@hotmail.com

for more information about meeting times and ways to be involved with the Monroe County Republican Party and the Monroe County Young Republicans.

Or you can add the Monroe County Republican Party on myspace at www.myspace.com/monroegop

Thank you for your time.

Nicholas Turner
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 01:44:09 PM »

The Republican Party said that to win and or stay competitive they needed help returning to their roots. So I thought I would try to help. What I found was most in the party only knew the talking points of the GOP but not it's foundation. That foundation would probably scare the current members of the GOP to death.
It actually speaks of the rule of law, the supremacy of the Constitution, sound fiscal policy, and a stable currency, the smallest of government with no intrusion into the private lives of the citizens. All of which the leadership has lost sight of.
I would challenge those that say they are Republicans or are conservative of nature to go back and read some of the platforms that the Republican Party has ran on in decades past. Try with the 1870's after the Civil War. It is a very enlightening adventure. As the old saying goes; how can you know where you're going if you don't know where you been?
Quite frankly for someone of a true conservative/libertarian view the current crop of leading candidates are scary. They absolutely do not fit the foundation of the Party. Many of which are easily interchangeable with the leading Democrats.
That being said, my allegiance is not to any Party, it is to this nation. The oath I took when I joined the Marine Corps still applies to me today. To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, and there are plenty of enemies of that document on both sides of the aisle.

Peace.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2007, 02:23:04 PM »

my allegiance is not to any Party, it is to this nation.

That reminds me of the saying, "I love my country, but I fear the government." I first heard that saying from Mark Scott (see here http://tinyurl.com/367fvo and here http://tinyurl.com/2ebrwx) when he was on 1270AM.

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The oath I took when I joined the Marine Corps still applies to me today. To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, and there are plenty of enemies of that document on both sides of the aisle.

Is your allegiance to a document? Or to the ideals upon which that document is based?

Exclesior!
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 02:36:09 PM »

Smash,

I know that the local Republican party likes it when you work to push them closer and closer to the roots of the Republican party.

A sound fiscal policy, the rule of law, smallest of government with no intrusion into personal life and supremacy of the Constitution.

Just those right there are enough to work on for awhile.
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Re: Political Opinion Poll
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 11:24:14 PM »

I miss Mark Scott, he was very educational! I met him on several occasions.

I do love my country but I fear my government.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 10:43:00 AM »

ML,
My allegiance is to those ideals written in/on that document. Many years, as you know, were spent formulating a clear and concise language for that document. With many volumes written in support of that document. There is no ambiguity to what the founder say, all that is needed is a foundation in the English language.
We don't teach that anymore.
What I find particularly disturbing is the method to which manipulating the Constitution is used today. Rather than to amend the Constitution using the methods authorized in it, the chosen method is to bastardize and twist what it says. Mostly because those that would amend the Constitution know that the American people would never tolerate what they are trying to do to the nation. They would never get the votes to ratify any of their amendments.

Peace.

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Re: Political Opinion Poll
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 02:11:10 PM »

Smash,
The process of amending the Constitution was made difficult for a reason. They wanted only changes that was supported by the people to be approved; however, we have moved past that when we interpret the Constitution in ways which it was never meant to be interpreted instead of going to the people in attempts to amend the Constitution.
Our legislative body no longer handles controversial issues, we only shuffle it over to the judicial branch to make controversial decisions on issues that are meant to be answered by the legislative body as the representatives of the people.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 03:14:29 PM »


Our legislative body no longer handles controversial issues, we only shuffle it over to the judicial branch to make controversial decisions on issues that are meant to be answered by the legislative body as the representatives of the people.

And which way do these legislative bodies and judges lean?
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 04:58:00 PM »

Old salt,

It seems like last year or the year before when the controversy was raging about the Pledge of Allegance being recited in elementary school, that I heard on the news radio a report by the American Bar Association, (I could be wrong here. It might have been another legal association.) stating that approx. 70% of Federal Appeals and Supreme Court Judges were registered Republicans.

I have spent some time searching on the Web, but can't find any substantiation. 

Assuming ths is true, it kind of shoots that "liberal judiaciary ruining the nation" rhetoric in the foot.

It just might be that judges disagree with public opinion and sometimes the adminstration based upon legal beliefs and theories, and not adherence to a party-line.
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 09:28:18 PM »

The Supreme Court is a little over 50% Democratic.  I'll find the link to back this up and get back to you.

Sure wish they would keep their theories out of the constitution. 

Lots of articles/proof that the liberal judiciary is ruining the nation.  The recent eminent domain case is a case in point.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 10:18:53 PM »

The current Supreme Court Justices w/age:

Moderates (1)
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Kennedy - 69

Liberals (4)
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Ginsburg - 72
Stevens - 85
Souter - 66
Breyer - 67

Conservatives (4)
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Scalia - 69
Thomas - 57
Roberts – 51
Alito – 55

Not all judges preside over the cases.  So this is pretty balanced.

Sorry to be off topic.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 10:48:24 PM »

old salt, the youngest member is only one year your junior so maybe you haven’t missed your calling in life.  ;D

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May be what happened to the other libs as well.

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Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

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This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2007, 09:32:19 AM »

Old salt,

Sorry for the confusion.  I was speaking about State Supreme Courts, Federal Appeals and Distrcit Courts.  I don't believe the report I heard mentioned the US Supreme Court.

I also think that any articles provided wouldn't be proof of anything, they would just be the opinion of the writers.  One could also argue that what you call "ruining the nation" is just the opposite, depending on one's beliefs.

Anyway, my point was more in the area that conflicts between legal, public and the Administration's stances don't follow a party line.  For example, the judges that ruled that Gitmo prisoneers needed trials - were they liberal or conservative?  We would like to jump on and say "Liberal" because they ruled against the President, but it's more likely from the stats that they were conservative, but just disagreed with the Pres.  Keep in mind, I'm still talking about the lower courts, not when the case got to the Supreme Court.


Thousands of cases go through the courts a year.  We hear about a handful in the news, the most controversial.  This is not a represenatative sample.  The critics would have us believe that the liberals hold a secret meeting every month at an undisclosed location where they plot to defy the President and destroy the Constitution.  I think the real reasons behind judicial rulings are a lot more complex and abstract.  Because a lot of people (not implying you) arer either unwilling or unable to consider this, they jump on the "progressive court" bandwagon. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 09:38:04 AM »

If somebody comes along that I like, I'll let you know...So far they are all still lacking...
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 11:59:41 AM »

We the people need to educate ourselves better about our founding documents since the educational system won't do it.

We need to return the judicial branch back to it's proper position as enumerated in the Constitution.
The ultimate authority lies with the people not with the judiciary. The legislative branch is the ultimate authority because it is supposed to be made up of the representatives of the people.

Throughout our history political parties have come and gone. It is possible we are about to see a couple of parties go away again.
At the end of the day folks on both sides of the aisle are getting the picture that these two are not cutting the mustard.
The media may keep pounding home President Bush's ratings yet the ratings for Congress are even lower. All heads are on the chopping block in this next election cycle, and they all know it. Hence you will see a withdrawal of troops from Iraq in the next 6 months. It will be called a redeployment or some other made up word for retreat.

There is a grassroots movement growing here, and it's not to the left or right, it's backwards. Back to the Constitution, just quiz your friends and neighbors.
Look right here  in Michigan. Former Representative Leon Drolet has threatened Republicans in his own party and some Democrats with recall if they vote for a tax increase. Representative Hoogendyk was the only NO vote on a bill to make it mandatory for businesses to provide 10 days PAID leave for survivors of a fallen soldier. These men should be commended for saying NO to the run away socialism  that has taken hold in this state. Yet it is barely reported.

Politicians want you to believe that the greedy corporations are hurting this country and it's citizens. I would pose a few questions here.
Who profits the most out of each of gallon of gasoline? The government.
Who profits the most on each pack of cigarettes? The government.
Who profits the most on Barry Bonds baseballs? The IRS, the government.
Who profits the most on the unconstitutional graduated taxation of the American people's income?
The government.

The government will brake your leg then hand you a crutch and say, "See if it wasn't for the government you wouldn't be able to walk."

Peace.
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