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[zard0z]

Well then, go live in Wayne County.   I am personally sick of lisening to this crap. 

Then stop reading it...

[supermom]

The pot is back!

[Mother of three]

Considering the defense didn't provide any evidence to the contrary, it's hard to blame anyone but the defense.

You can't just say "Your honor, the defense has prepared a statement: Nuh uh. The defense rests, your honor."

I think you have missed the point Fly. Your humor is always appreciated and I find myself amused any time I read your posts. Maybe that was your goal here. But the point was, "Why even answer stupidity with no proof or evidence?" In the United States of America a court case is suppose to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. When the ONLY thing you present is a bunch of disgruntled ex-employee's, with an ax to grind, and rhetoric ad-infinitum from the prosecutor, a rational person that trusts in the system does not have to answer all the foolishness.
The case was that ridiculous. It was just a smear campaign with lies from people that don't like the guy.
Okay, they don't like him, but for this to be allowed to go on in a court of law is a disgrace.
The prosecutor did not care about truth. She had tunnel vision to convict. As long as she had people to say the impossible and the outlandish happened, that is all she cared about. She had no evidence. Why else would a very, very well respected and one of the best attorney's in Monroe not put on a case?
The burden of PROOF is on the prosecution. They had ZERO proof.

Back to the point. In Wayne County they only bring a case when there is evidence. Not just talk.
 

[marilyn.monroe]

I think you have missed the point Fly. Your humor is always appreciated and I find myself amused any time I read your posts. Maybe that was your goal here. But the point was, "Why even answer stupidity with no proof or evidence?" In the United States of America a court case is suppose to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. When the ONLY thing you present is a bunch of disgruntled ex-employee's, with an ax to grind, and rhetoric ad-infinitum from the prosecutor, a rational person that trusts in the system does not have to answer all the foolishness.
The case was that ridiculous. It was just a smear campaign with lies from people that don't like the guy.
Okay, they don't like him, but for this to be allowed to go on in a court of law is a disgrace.
The prosecutor did not care about truth. She had tunnel vision to convict. As long as she had people to say the impossible and the outlandish happened, that is all she cared about. She had no evidence. Why else would a very, very well respected and one of the best attorney's in Monroe not put on a case?
The burden of PROOF is on the prosecution. They had ZERO proof.

Back to the point. In Wayne County they only bring a case when there is evidence. Not just talk.
 

People who are falsely accused should not just sit around doing nothing on their behalf! You must be proactive, not reactive.

[supermom]

But the point was, "Why even answer stupidity with no proof or evidence?"  

Exactly the point that many have been trying to make on at least three different threads.

[Draco E. Pluribus]

Considering the defense didn't provide any evidence to the contrary, it's hard to blame anyone but the defense.

You can't just say "Your honor, the defense has prepared a statement: Nuh uh. The defense rests, your honor."

The defense covered the inadequacy of the evidence in a motion for directed acquittal, but the judge was enraged that anyone dare challenge the, unsupported "testimony," of the persecution despite the fact that the testimony clearly indicated that such "tangible" evidence must exist.  Where are the cable or satellite bills?  Did they even exist or were the persecution's witnesses lying?  If there had been a responsible juror on that case, there would not have been conviction.

If there had been a responsible judge the same goes likewise because the case would have been thrown out of court for insufficient evidence to support a conviction!

And ditto for the persecution (prosecution) whose case was just hot air without any tangible evidence to support it!

Mr. Fraunhoffer was by law entitled to a trial based upon fact!  Not on gossip and innuendo! 

Whatever was his past, the Downtown Development Gang and their judicial hacks should have complied with the law that guaranteed Mr. Fraunhoffer a fair and impartial trial of the "FACTS!"

Unsupported GOSSIP be DAMNED!

Such judges should not be reelected!  They should figuratively be HANGED!  Right next to the prosecutor and his assistant that brought that dog and pony show into what is sopposed to be a court of LAW!

[marilyn.monroe]

If someone has evidence clearing their name why the hell wouldn't they present it?

[marilyn.monroe]

I think the Honorable Judge LaBeau is wise and just.

[lordfly]

I think you have missed the point Fly. Your humor is always appreciated and I find myself amused any time I read your posts.

You're welcome, Jeff.

Maybe that was your goal here. But the point was, "Why even answer stupidity with no proof or evidence?" In the United States of America a court case is suppose to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. When the ONLY thing you present is a bunch of disgruntled ex-employee's, with an ax to grind, and rhetoric ad-infinitum from the prosecutor, a rational person that trusts in the system does not have to answer all the foolishness.
The case was that ridiculous. It was just a smear campaign with lies from people that don't like the guy.
Okay, they don't like him, but for this to be allowed to go on in a court of law is a disgrace.
The prosecutor did not care about truth. She had tunnel vision to convict. As long as she had people to say the impossible and the outlandish happened, that is all she cared about. She had no evidence. Why else would a very, very well respected and one of the best attorney's in Monroe not put on a case?
The burden of PROOF is on the prosecution. They had ZERO proof.

I somehow doubt you're an unbiased observer.

The defense had less than zero proof. They didn't have anything to refute? No cross examination? No evidence of cable bills, friendly eyewitness testimony, application of liquor licenses, security camera footage? Nothing? Nothing at all? Were I innocent, I'd be using all of that, PLUS legal technicalities, to get myself an innocence verdict. The fact that you DID NOT certainly leaves one suspicious.


If you had these things and didn't bother using them, that's your own fault. Innocent until judged guilty by the jury of your peers. That means you have to CONVINCE the jury to be on your side, to prove a doubt. Your lawyer did nothing of the sort. He is a very poor lawyer.

Blaming the prosecution for doing their job is inane. Blame your lawyer, Jeff.

Back to the point. In Wayne County they only bring a case when there is evidence. Not just talk.

Rape and murder cases often revolve around just talk. Kwame's perjury charge was "just talk" - indeed, the charge is based on it!

Would you start your damn appeal already, Jeff?

[supermom]

If someone has evidence clearing their name why the hell wouldn't they present it?

EXACTLY! Especially if the prosecution had a bunch of "lies" being told. And, there were eye witnesses. I believe it was a plumber who saw the dish being removed. And, at least one patron who saw the porn. If the defense attorney asked for the case to be dismissed on lack of evidence and the judge said no, then the defense should have used the "mountains of evidence" that they had. (I am using information that was presented on the other threads.)

[Frenchfry]

First there has to be a choice.

Too bad David Grenn could not be persuaded to run against Costello!  That would get rid of the worst of the bunch!

Grenn fought this Sin City all the way to the State Supreme Court defending the rights of the handicap, the under dog and learned first hand from them that no good deed goes unpunished.

The Bar Association of Michigan's great legacy is that it has just become a socialistic labor union of the Three Monkeys!

"See no Evil!  Hear no Evil!  Speak no Evil!"

"Whatever happened to organized crime?"

It all got elected to public office!

Life goes on in this City of Sin where the airhead gossips rule supreme!
Wayne County needs tangible evidence to get convictions.
Monroe County Doesn't! 
But they should!

I’ve only quoted this because I’d like that message to reach more people.

My story of how some folks walk away without a slap while some folks get pulverized will surface after one judge in particular adjudicates a case.
The judge cancelled a jury trial because he would be out of town….I suspect he wanted the legal fees to escalate for the defendant to punish me for speaking against the system.

Judicial chart:
http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/monroe/default.aspx?PageId=406

District Court Judges’s profile and photos:
http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/monroe/default.aspx?PageId=412

Circuit Judges and Staff:
http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/monroe/default.aspx?PageId=404

Background and photo of Costello:
http://www.icle.org/directory/contrib_bios.cfm?&Pnumber=P33769

Courthouse Forum, You be the judge:
http://www.courthouseforum.com/forums/forum.php?id=163869
http://courthouseforum.com/forums/view.php?id=1042645


On a tangent…..look at what Jeremy says and see if you can recognize which member of MonroeTalks he is:
http://www.blogsmonroe.com/editors/2008/03/31/new-terms-of-service-on-monroetalkscom/

What's the difference between a good lawyer and a great lawyer?
A good lawyer knows the law.
A great lawyer knows the judge.

[Draco E. Pluribus]

If someone has evidence clearing their name why the hell wouldn't they present it?

It is the job of the persecution to present the evidence and PROVE their case beyond a reasonable doubt!

It is the police's job to get the evidence, not unsupported GOSSIP and INNUENDO!

It is the jury's job to demand that the evidence support the crime alleged!

The blame lies with the County Prosecutor's Office and the judges who have forgotten why we have elected them.

And people who are too silly, petty and too easily prejudiced to sit as a proper jury of peers.

Ineffective counsel is usually an ineffective issue on any appeal thanks to the "Bar Association" of the Three Monkeys!

To say nothing of the citizens who for various reasons or inadequacies are willing to let them get away with it all!

Whatever happened to "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILT?"

[lordfly]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!

[Frenchfry]

It is the job of the persecution to present the evidence and PROVE their case beyond a reasonable doubt!

It is the police's job to get the evidence, not unsupported GOSSIP and INNUENDO!

It is the jury's job to demand that the evidence support the crime alleged!

The blame lies with the County Prosecutor's Office and the judges who have forgotten why we have elected them.

And people who are too silly, petty and too easily prejudiced to sit as a proper jury of peers.

Ineffective counsel is usually an ineffective issue on any appeal thanks to the "Bar Association" of the Three Monkeys!

To say nothing of the citizens who for various reasons or inadequacies are willing to let them get away with it all!

Whatever happened to "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILT?"

Their terms won’t be up for a long time and usually run unopposed anyway.

It’s a shame that so many people utilize their connections to abscond justice that the corruption is not only tolerated but welcomed as well.

The Monroe County incarceration rate is just insane and now they’ve made a mockery of creating a stacked deck in their phony quest in seeking alternation solutions to the perpetual jail overcrowding issue.

What do you call a lawyer gone bad?
Your honor.

[Draco E. Pluribus]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!

But that is what unfortunately passes for justice in this Sin City by the JUST-US GANG!

It is too bad that the most offensive judges just happen to be Catholic!  This should not serve as a bad reflection on the Catholics, but given the prejudices of many in this community of religious bigots it will to the all too simple minded!