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SPOOKYTOOTH

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Re: Conservatives and liberals, aka conquer and divide
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2007, 10:55:36 PM »

This is very Illuminati/New World Order/Mark of the Beast.

It's a vast over-arching conspiracy, perpetrated by "them", to enslave "us" for all eternity, unless we start burning a few buildings down and storm Washington.

Except that there has never been a time in history that humanity could organize together for more than a few years before splitting off into smaller, opposing groups.

That said, there most certainly are people vying for control of the globe. They're not working together, however. If anything they're working against each other. Nobody wants to share absolute power.

A more likely scenario is the banding together of nation-states into collective commonwealths (European Union) in order to protect themselves from each other. China will have their sphere, we'll have ours, and Europe will have theirs. Oh no, 1984 all over again!

Except something that huge is very hard to govern, especially when you're merging dozens/hundreds of cultures together into one supranational state. It doesn't work. People hate that. The larger a state gets, the less efficient it is, which means the more freedoms you have, generally. Especially hwen merging many cultures together. Where do you start cracking down? Just shooting everyone? The US Military wouldn't stand for it. There would be a civil war in weeks. And thus the system would break down again.

Even the EU, which was supposedly "thisclose" to achieving global dominance by merging together, couldn't get their Constitution ratified (small wonder... it was 200+ pages compared to our, what, 20?).

And China isn't interested in reaching past their borders to conquer (aside from their traditional lands like Tibet, Mongolia, etc). If they did, we'd have fought them already.

Doom and gloom.



     The  "collective commonwealths" you speak of already exist in the form of "free trade unions / aliances" that encompass most of the nations of the world, all having been created or guided by the EU : ASEAN (headed by China), Oceanic (Pacifica, where Bush just returned from After attending the SPP conferance in Canada), African Union, European Union, Mediteranian Union (proposed by Sarkozy of France, this Union differs from the EU version in that Isreal is included without further concessions being made to Arab nations due to France providing nuclear technologies to certain Arab nations.),  CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement), LAC (Latin American Commission on Free Trade),  and the proposed NAU (North American Union) which already basically exists under NAFTA (1994).   
    As far as governance, the Romans, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, didn't seem to have too much of a problem accomplishing it, albeit through force, for enough time to take the lives of a few million people. I'm sure a few tallented Globalist Leaders wouldn't have too much of a challenge. Especially if most of the populations of the nations they lead don't acknowledge what's happening until its too late and they find themselves slaves to the
"machine" of Globalism.
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Re: Conservatives and liberals, aka conquer and divide
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2007, 11:10:31 PM »

Right on.
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SPOOKYTOOTH

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Re: Conservatives and liberals, aka conquer and divide
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2007, 12:21:33 AM »



Even the EU, which was supposedly "thisclose" to achieving global dominance by merging together, couldn't get their Constitution ratified (small wonder... it was 200+ pages compared to our, what, 20?).



     I almost forgot...The EU Constitution was not ratified in its present form...however....the EU Commission (the ten nation governing body of the EU) will move to ratify a revised Constitution in 2010, which coincidently is the same year ALL of these other Global trade unions MUST be up and running. These Unions also  bring about as an added "bonus", a mutual currency that will replace the currencies of each of the member nations, just as the EURO replaced the currencies of EU member nations.

      All of this information is available for anyone to look up. Its all FACT, not theory.  As others have said, once you look at the WHOLE picture WORLDWIDE you see all the pieces fall together into a big picture. Look at what ALL the world leaders are saying and promoting...GLOBALISM, even if it makes no sense for their nations. For instance...Fiji and Samoa and other tiny nations worldwide who have nothing to export except tourism, why force them into trade unions? It makes no sense...until you look at the charters of all these unions. They are all the same. Within each charter is the clause that guarantees the free flow of LABOR (people) between member states. Now these tiny nations do have SOMETHING to export, their people.
       Doubt it? Look up  the ASEAN Union. Notice that the member states of Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, etc., can provide their citizens to CHINA to help with China's labor shortage in return for products at greatly reduced prices. Now, of course China compensates these "immigrant" workers, but you can bet NONE of these
workers will get rich on what they are being paid.
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Re: Conservatives and liberals, aka conquer and divide
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2007, 11:30:06 AM »

Conservatives who want big government as much as liberals are really neoconservatives. The neoconservative movement started in the United States with William F. Buckley.(As the late, great Mark Scott said: "Never trust a man with a phony English accent.") Neoconservatives want big government as much as liberals. They just want it doing some things liberals don't want it doing.
True traditional American conservatives want to eliminate big government and they want to do it now.
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