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BETTER GAS MILEAGE.. PERIOD
« on: July 15, 2008, 08:50:26 AM »

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When I was reading about putting an additive into my gas tank to increase mileage, I was very skeptical. I have a pretty intense automotive background, starting back in 1987, to the point now that I develop software applications for engine testing. To say that I have had over 12,000 hours of automotive testing within the last 8 years would be fair. Here are my vehicle specifications.

2003 Ford Expedition
5.4 liter V8
Automatic Transmission with Overdrive
4 wheel drive equipped (test performed in 2wd)

Last week, I decided to conduct an experiment... I went to a Wal-Mart here on Van Dyke by 14 Mile and bought 2 bottles of 100% pure acetone and a small funnel. Together it was less than $5. By most of the articles and studies I have read, the correct amount of acetone to add to your gas tank is 1 to 3 ounces per 10 gallons. To make it simple, I just averaged at 2 oz. I ran my tank until I had less than 1 gallon left, and dropped $40 in her. This put me right about at 10 gallons, so I added my 2 ounces of 100% pure acetone, and drove away. I was very excited to see if there was going to be a noticeable difference, but expected the usual "no effects of the first trial."

Much to my surprise, IT WORKED! Right there on the first tank. By the time I got back to the freeway and set the cruise at 55, I was amazed! 28.4 mpg IN A BIG FAT EXPEDITION!!!

So, I had to take a picture of the dash to prove this. Now anyone that has a Ford with the instant economy button, knows that if you reset it, and don't wait, you could see any number up to 99.9 mpg (when going down a steep hill). This test was on level ground after at least one minute of averaging. The slightest incline, or decline will make a difference, so I was very careful where to set it. After averaging in all the inclines and declines on the way home, I still maintained a 26.8 mpg average.

Things to keep in mind...
Adding too much 100% Acetone, can actually decrease your mileage - I stayed in the 1 to 3 ounce per 10 gallon rule
Adding 100% Acetone to your gas tank is an experiment you are conducting on your own, I will not recommend it, but will gladly share my results.
Read about it before you do it! HERE is a great article that has plenty of links.
100% Acetone will remove paint!

One 16 oz. bottle of 100% Acetone can treat about 80 gallons for $2!!!

---Best Fuel Economy Prior To Test---
70 Mph -- 16.7 mpg
55 Mph -- 22.6 mpg

---Best Fuel Economy End Of Test---
70 Mph -- 22.3 mpg 33.5% Increase!!!
55 Mph -- 28.4 mpg 25.7% Increase!!!


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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 09:00:39 AM »

Interesting stuff here, Bama. Thanks for taking the time to post. I just might have to try this out for myself  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 09:01:20 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 09:02:09 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 09:15:00 AM »

And people talk about how dangerous it is to talk on phones while driving......

Can you imagine witnessing a driver cruising at 55 MPH taking a shot of his dash?

I applaud your effort but I can see a few problems:

One 16 oz bottle of acetone would mean $16 a gallon.

What about damage to the fuel lines and seals?

We know that those expensive fuel pumps use the liquid for lubrication and anyone that has used gasoline versus acetone understands how fast acetone evaporates without leaving any residue while gasoline is completely different.

I’d wonder what is coming out the tailpipe as well and what effect it would have on the catalytic converter and oxygen sensors.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 09:17:09 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 09:29:38 AM »

Acetone... isn't that highly acidic?

And wouldn't that eventually eat through your engine's softer parts?
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 09:32:15 AM »

The 16 oz. bottle of 100% Pure Acetone was $1.97. That will treat 80 gallons of gasoline.

If you read the pdf file at the link, there are people that have been doing this for years on fleet vehicles, and they have had no issues. Think of how harsh gasoline is, acetone carries similar properties to rubbing alcohol, and there is Ethanol/methanol blended fuels at almost every gas station you go to these days. There have been independent studies on pure acetone that have shown mild effects to o-rings, but keep in mind, with 2 oz. to every 10 gallons, you are at a .15% acetone mixture.

Emissions go down because more of the fuel is acutally being burnt. Acetone is about 150 octane. This added to the gasonline help the combustion process with eliminates more hydrocarbons at the tailpipe because the fuel is burning more efficiently.

The oxygen sensor just reads oxygen in the exhaust, since it's a cleaner burn, it telss the computer/injectors to use less fuel because it's being used more efficiently, the same goes for the catalytic converter. If anything it would extend the life of it because it converts less unused fuel. They should not be harmed at all from the acetone.

And people talk about how dangerous it is to talk on phones while driving......

Can you imagine witnessing a driver cruising at 55 MPH taking a shot of his dash?

I applaud your effort but I can see a few problems:

One 16 oz bottle of acetone would mean $16 a gallon.

What about damage to the fuel lines and seals?

We know that those expensive fuel pumps use the liquid for lubrication and anyone that has used gasoline versus acetone understands how fast acetone evaporates without leaving any residue while gasoline is completely different.

I’d wonder what is coming out the tailpipe as well and what effect it would have on the catalytic converter and oxygen sensors.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 09:35:37 AM »

The link goes directly to the PDF site. I was able to open it on GM's server, and if it makes it passed their firewall, you will be ok at home. I would post the PDF here, but there are too many pages
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 09:47:40 AM »

Best way to determine your gas mileage without the built in gauge.

1. Pick a route you can drive exactly the same for your test.
2. Fill your tank to the very top at the beginning of your route.
3. Reset your trip meter, or write down your mileage.
4. On the next day, fill your tank again at the same gas station, write down the gallons you used to fill up this time and your miles driven.

Let's say your drove 56.8 miles and you re-filled with 2.7 gallons of gas.

Just type it into your calculator 56.8 divided by 2.7 and you would get 21.04 mpg.

Remember to do this before you try the acetone so you can see how much better your mileage is.

HERE
is a youtube video of someone that tried acetone. Keep in mind, if you are already getting 50 mpg, don't expect a 25% increase... that engine is already running VERY efficiently!
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 10:42:06 AM »

Acetone... isn't that highly acidic?

And wouldn't that eventually eat through your engine's softer parts?



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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 11:24:17 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 11:40:24 AM »

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Incompatibilities:
Concentrated nitric and sulfuric acid mixtures, oxidizing materials, chloroform, alkalis, chlorine compounds, acids, potassium t-butoxide.
Conditions to Avoid:
Heat, flames, ignition sources and incompatibles.

Now I’ve had vehicles that would occasionally smell like rotten eggs similar to sulfur……

I’ve used acetone to prep aluminum for caulking and I’ve not witnessed any acidic effects but then again it didn’t remain immersed because it evaporates so quickly.

I’m more concerned about the effect on seals, fuel lines and injectors because even ethanol requires special flex fuel modifications.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 12:46:28 PM »

MSDS HERE

NOT acidic.




OK, you're right, I was thinking of "Acetone peroxide"...Nasty stuff...
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 01:03:33 PM »

ONE MORE LINK for some good reading. This has more personal info, and an experiment with gaskets/seals.
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