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John Kopke

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Re: Enough
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2007, 09:23:03 PM »

riar:
Your point is cryptic. Not allowed to fish? OK whom to you mean to imply is preventing them from fishing today?
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Re: Enough
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2007, 09:42:22 PM »

Okay, okay. All arguments aside, did someone seriously use Jello Biafra in an argument where credibility is everything? I'm an old "punker" myself and political enthusiast, but Biafra? Bah!


I too have read Ellison's Invisible Man and Williams' Enough . I think they are fantastic books.


Someone else cited the Bureau of Census and I would love to see the link they used.
Here are the facts I know.

- In 2004, 12.7 percent of all persons lived in poverty.
- In 1993 the poverty rate was 15.1 percent.
- Between 1993 and 2000, the poverty rate fell each year, reaching 11.3 percent in 2000. 
- Poverty has risen in each of the last four years.
- From 2003-2004 there were about 34.9 million Americans in poverty.
- The official poverty rate in 2006 was 12.3 percent, down from 12.6 percent in 2005.
- In 2006 there were 36.5 million Americans in poverty (very close to the figure for 2005)
 

Poverty rates in 2006 were statistically unchanged for non-Hispanic Whites (8.2 percent), Blacks (24.3
percent), and Asians (10.3 percent) from 2005. The poverty rate decreased for Hispanics (20.6 percent in 2006, down from 21.8 percent in 2005).


http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf
http://npc.umich.edu/poverty/
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html



Chuntley, where in the heck did you spew your facts from? A homemade Google site?
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2007, 06:45:08 AM »

http://www.msu.edu/user/skourtes/myths.html

funny when fact are presented that Blacks are not the cause of the problems,,,, some people jump to the defense.

I simply googled : welfare statistics
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2007, 07:25:38 AM »

Why and I did not start the black and white thing?? Any lazy azz, be he black or white, that is sitting on their butts, sucking off the system ,, is the problem.  I have a brother-in-law (white) , that has his wife working 3 jobs,, while he sits at home. they receive,, i don't know how,, daycare money. I have worked all my life, never even collected unemployment ,, and I know a lot of other black people that are the in the same position. It pisses me off when I see these people from Monroe,, (west side and north side, south side, beaches and suburbs) collection ssi   because they are drug addicts and drunks or just fat and lazy and can not get a job. You see them all the time at walmart. Using government cards.

The Republican party deals with a divide and conquer attitude. If they throw some racial crap out there, you fools jump all over it. There are enough issues on the table right now. GAS PRICES,FORD MOTOR CLOSING,THE CEMENT PLANT,HOME VALUES DROPPING AND TAXES RISING.

drop the racial crap, we are all the same,, we all want the same things in life,,

I only posted the welfare myths, after a post about free thinking blacks.

Back during the slavery days, Free thinking Blacks were called "Run Aways".

I do agree with the elimination of free rides for all able bodies,including the overweight.
Drop the welfare system as we know it. No work, no eat.
Drop the affirmative action crap also. It did nothing for the black man.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2007, 10:34:17 AM »

riar:
Your point is cryptic. Not allowed to fish? OK whom to you mean to imply is preventing them from fishing today?

First of all, I apologize, and Ralph Ellison is rolling over in his grave. I meant to say Ellison's "Invisivle Man" not James Lowell who I'm currently researching. I was talking to Bob. He took a section of "Invisible Man" out of context and scewed the meaning. The fishing pond is in reference to Bob's ideology in another of his posts. Your trying to provoke a black vs Repub white argument for current times and I have no interest.
Although "Battle Royal" by Ellison would be good for everyone to read. Then again if the message in "Invisible Man" falls by the wayside, what's the sense?
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2007, 01:12:05 PM »

If all the leaves on all the trees could talk...they couldn't even begin to say how liberal you are...You're not normal then huh?? :P
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2007, 02:13:02 PM »

A liberal is someone who worships at the altar of big government. The words socialist, communist or progressive all serve as good synonyms for liberal.

So what is a conservative? Someone who worships at the altar of big government with guns?

Someone who worships on the altar of me, mine, and eventually all mine.
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2007, 02:25:53 PM »

A liberal is someone who worships at the altar of big government. The words socialist, communist or progressive all serve as good synonyms for liberal.

Ask most liberals and they don't think in the context of government at all. They think in the realm of freedom for all as in a liberated people that can do what they want. I think of the two partes as embracing different economic policy that affects either the wealthy or the middle class.

When liberals speak against cons we don't see big or small government, the business of the thing as much as the personal. We tend to find you greedy and find something repulsive in it. ABC did a poll on who gives back to the needy the most and it wasn't even the standard middle class, but the lower middle class and poorer groups. The wealthy came last. You view liberals as wanting government issue lines or something really strange. I'm a liberal only because I believe it to be the lesser of two evils, not quite as greedy is all. I think conservative economics and the trickle down theory fails to inclue greed in the equation and is false in that sense, and ideology.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2007, 04:22:03 PM »

I could spend eons attempting to teach chuntley a thing or two about our welfare system, both good and bad, but considering his attitude - I won't even bother. A lost cause is a lost cause, politically.
I love the way people enjoy offending others on forums, though. And how the most vocally vulgar rarely have decent facts, just one sided rumors. It ends the discussion before it even begins.

And for that I am eternally grateful.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 06:09:02 AM »

Please teach me. If you would like, you could send me a letter through the personal message board here. I'm open for any education.
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