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Enough
« on: September 11, 2007, 04:23:04 PM »

                 In “Enough”, Juan Williams became the latest in a long line of free thinking black writers to suggest that the Democratic Party has done nothing to benefit black people.
   When Lyndon B. Johnson initiated his “war on poverty” programs, Democrats predicted that they would eliminate poverty within the black community.
   Not everyone agreed with the Democrats. In “The Vision of the Anointed” Thomas Sowell wrote: “A diametrically opposite set of beliefs and predictions came from critics of the “war on poverty” proposals. Senator Barry Goldwater predicted that these programs would “encourage poverty” by encouraging “more and more people to join the ranks of those being taken care of by the government.””
   What no one suggested at the time was that dependence on government is what Democrats wanted for black people. As long as a sizeable section of the black community believes that the subsistence income they are receiving from the government is as much as they can hope for, they will continue to vote for Democrats as Democrat policies keep them mired in poverty. The fact that Democrats continue to praise the “war on poverty” programs despite their obvious adverse effects on the black community demonstrates what Democrats really care about. Democrats care about the black vote not black people.
   In “Invisible Man”,  Ralph Ellison describes the statue of a founder of a black college: “Then in my mind’s eye I see the bronze statue of the college Founder, the cold Father symbol, his hands outstretched in the breathtaking gesture of lifting a veil that flutters in hard, metallic folds above the face of a kneeling slave; and I am standing puzzled, unable to decide whether the veil is really being lifted, or lowered more firmly in place; whether I am witnessing a revelation or a more efficient blinding.”
   If that statue actually existed it would look like L.B.J. and it would represent the Democratic Party. While Democrats claim to institute programs that help blacks, their programs are only aimed at getting black votes. If Democratic programs helped more blacks to become affluent, those blacks might not see the need to vote for Democrats. Democrats would see that as a much greater tragedy than black poverty.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2007, 04:41:32 PM »

Enough is right. Your hatred of so called liberals and skewed facts are boring. What exactly is a liberal?
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2007, 11:40:18 PM »

Enough is right. Your hatred of so called liberals and skewed facts are boring. What exactly is a liberal?
Someone who's left of you.

Everybody's moderate in their own head.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 07:21:30 AM »

Sue Lee wrote:

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Your hatred of so called liberals and skewed facts are boring. What exactly is a liberal?

Did I miss something from this post or another one?  I read Mr. Beadles post a few times and he did not mention the "liberal" word once?  His post seemed more like note cards from a book report, citing his source of information. 

I have read both Enough (Juan Williams) and much of Ralph Ellison's novel, Invisible Man.  Both are interesting. 

Is there a history with Mr. Beadles that I am unaware?  What fact's from his post do you see as "skewed"?  To me it appears as if he is doing nothing but offering his take on someones quotes / opinions.  Again, am I missing something? 
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 09:20:44 AM »


Did I miss something from this post or another one?  I read Mr. Beadles post a few times and he did not mention the "liberal" word once?  



I think that is in reference to the Democratic Party...
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 11:09:32 AM »

Will,
try his "Conservative vs liberal" post, or "Right vs Left", then of course, there is pot smoking for liberals.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2007, 12:48:39 PM »

A liberal is someone who worships at the altar of big government. The words socialist, communist or progressive all serve as good synonyms for liberal.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 02:16:36 PM »

Not all Black People are Members of the Democrate Party, Like all Caucasians are not members of the Republican party.

Not all Americans living at or below Poverty are Black. The majority of people living off the welfare system are likewise, not Black. Just 5%of the U.S. population is on public assistance. 1% of the Federal Budget is devoted to welfare.

The Census Bureau's most recent annual poverty report found that urban Black Mothers constitue less than 1 out of 6 of all poor households. Rural White families accounted for more--- 1 out of 5. WHITE suburban families accounted for even more-- 1 out of 4.

The war on Poverty was ment for all Americans, Red,Yellow Black and White.

This information can be found by Googling " welfare myths"
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 04:56:47 PM »

A liberal is someone who worships at the altar of big government. The words socialist, communist or progressive all serve as good synonyms for liberal.

So what is a conservative? Someone who worships at the altar of big government with guns?
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 06:57:53 PM »

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Will,
try his "Conservative vs liberal" post, or "Right vs Left", then of course, there is pot smoking for liberals.


Oh, OK.  Thanks.

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Everybody's moderate in their own head.

How true. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 10:14:40 PM »

Bob's initial thread in this topic is spot on. Beyond establishing a mentality of entitlement and dependence LBJ's war on poverty has further destroyed the black family. If you have more babies
you get more benefits, that is, unless there is a man in the house.

Inner city schools are a disgrace. But nothing changes. Dems blame it on a lack of money. Yet Wash. DC schools spend $12K per year per student and are some of the worst in the country. Something
dramatic needs to change. Yet whom puts the Kabash on trying something to reverse the trend?
Democrats.  Why? Because the teachers unions own them.  Example:

Philanthopist offered to spend 200 million to 15 build charter schools in Detroit. Initially Kwame
and Granholm thought it was a good idea. What happened? Detroit teachers abandoned their students in the classroom to stage a one day protest in Lansing. Result. Mayor and Governor
folded like cheap tents. Clearly, there was no contest for the Dems when they had to weigh
the future of these students versus losing the support of the teachers unions. This is just
one example of many.

Another related gripe I have with Dems. Affirmative action.  Here are the Dems thwarting every
meaningful effort to improve the education of these kids and then insisting that they be given
college enterance preference based on race, because the deck is stacked against them.  Yes it
is, and they have the Dems to thank for it. 


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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 11:12:59 PM »

And all the while the Federal Reserve marches happily along. Cha Ching!
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Re: Enough
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 01:18:36 AM »

A liberal is someone who worships at the altar of big government.

Not so long ago, that was not the case. There was a time when a liberal was a person who approached life with the motto "live and let live."

Jello Biafra describes the two-party (so-called) status-quo quite precisely:
"The Democrats are on the inside what the Republicans are on the outside..."

That's from "If Voting Changed Anything": http://tinyurl.com/2j958j
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Re: Enough
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 09:34:07 AM »

A true conservative is someone who believes in personal freedom. A true conservative wants to get the government off the individual citizen's back and out of the individual citizen's pocket.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 09:15:22 PM »

                 In “Enough”, Juan Williams became the latest in a long line of free thinking black writers to suggest that the Democratic Party has done nothing to benefit black people.
   When Lyndon B. Johnson initiated his “war on poverty” programs, Democrats predicted that they would eliminate poverty within the black community.
   Not everyone agreed with the Democrats. In “The Vision of the Anointed” Thomas Sowell wrote: “A diametrically opposite set of beliefs and predictions came from critics of the “war on poverty” proposals. Senator Barry Goldwater predicted that these programs would “encourage poverty” by encouraging “more and more people to join the ranks of those being taken care of by the government.””
   What no one suggested at the time was that dependence on government is what Democrats wanted for black people. As long as a sizeable section of the black community believes that the subsistence income they are receiving from the government is as much as they can hope for, they will continue to vote for Democrats as Democrat policies keep them mired in poverty. The fact that Democrats continue to praise the “war on poverty” programs despite their obvious adverse effects on the black community demonstrates what Democrats really care about. Democrats care about the black vote not black people.
   In “Invisible Man”,  Ralph Ellison describes the statue of a founder of a black college: “Then in my mind’s eye I see the bronze statue of the college Founder, the cold Father symbol, his hands outstretched in the breathtaking gesture of lifting a veil that flutters in hard, metallic folds above the face of a kneeling slave; and I am standing puzzled, unable to decide whether the veil is really being lifted, or lowered more firmly in place; whether I am witnessing a revelation or a more efficient blinding.”
   If that statue actually existed it would look like L.B.J. and it would represent the Democratic Party. While Democrats claim to institute programs that help blacks, their programs are only aimed at getting black votes. If Democratic programs helped more blacks to become affluent, those blacks might not see the need to vote for Democrats. Democrats would see that as a much greater tragedy than black poverty.


Sorry pal. Did a paper on Lowell's "Invisible Man." He's talking about "whitey" in general. It's about a man who went to your everlovin fishin pond from your post Conservative vs. Liberal, where everyone gets to fish, only he's black and not welcome.
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