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Re: Buy American or You're Fired!
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2008, 08:46:16 AM »

I am proud to say I own a Honda one the number 1 car company's out there because they know how to run a good business, how is it that Honda and Toyota have been importing jobs to america to where nearly all there cars are built here now andour so called American Car Companies have to export them to other countries.  The bumper stickers that read OUt of a Job yet? Keep buying Foreign, are very ignorant and obnoxious bumper stickers, just cause I buy a honda isn't going to prevent me fromgetting a job. 
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« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2008, 08:51:57 AM »

i know this isnt much...but something with a foreign name on it will never get in front of me in a traffic jam.  ;)
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2008, 08:54:22 AM »

I am proud to say I own a Honda one the number 1 car company's out there because they know how to run a good business, how is it that Honda and Toyota have been importing jobs to america to where nearly all there cars are built here now andour so called American Car Companies have to export them to other countries.  The bumper stickers that read OUt of a Job yet? Keep buying Foreign, are very ignorant and obnoxious bumper stickers, just cause I buy a honda isn't going to prevent me fromgetting a job. 

I'd like a bumper sticker that says:  Out of a job yet?  Keep building junk.
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2008, 09:15:14 AM »

Might be of interest to some...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25349480/site/14081545/
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« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2008, 10:41:34 AM »

I'd like a bumper sticker that says:  Out of a job yet?  Keep building junk.


That a common American misconception; a very ignorant one at that.

The difference in quality anymore is negligble at best. JD Power and Associates tends to agree.

I am proud to say I own a Honda one the number 1 car company's out there because they know how to run a good business, how is it that Honda and Toyota have been importing jobs to america to where nearly all there cars are built here now andour so called American Car Companies have to export them to other countries.  The bumper stickers that read OUt of a Job yet? Keep buying Foreign, are very ignorant and obnoxious bumper stickers, just cause I buy a honda isn't going to prevent me fromgetting a job. 

Your purchase of a Honda at some point will or already has caused the loss of an American job. The American manufactrers pay better wages, benefits, etc. and their direct manfuacturing efforts here have a larger impact on the local economy that those of their foreign competitors.

Most Japanese cars sold here in this country are not manufacturered here.

American car companies do not export many vehicles; they are growing their brands in those nations by building facilities there.

There is too much ignorance in terms of the attitude towards American auto manufacturers.
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« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2008, 10:56:25 AM »

I am not referring to just the quality issues, but also resale values.  The Japanese and European cars I have owned have far exceeded any American car on both of these fronts. 

Like Lee Iacocca used to say, "If you can find a better car, buy it."  That's what I do.

     
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« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2008, 11:17:54 AM »

I am not referring to just the quality issues, but also resale values.  The Japanese and European cars I have owned have far exceeded any American car on both of these fronts. 

Like Lee Iacocca used to say, "If you can find a better car, buy it."  That's what I do.

     

That might be where they're truly still ahead and that was largely due to the fact that the foreign competitors didn't fleet their vehicles.

However, as their sales rise I think you're going to see this trend change as well.

The American manufacturers, specifically GM and Ford .. are much closer to catching up then some think.
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« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2008, 11:34:22 AM »

The American manufacturers, specifically GM and Ford .. are much closer to catching up then some think.

I really wish they would make some cars worth buying.  If the new Cadillac CTS is any indication, they actually can make an exciting car.  Those are nice and definitely on my list for next time.
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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2008, 12:00:08 PM »

I really wish they would make some cars worth buying.  If the new Cadillac CTS is any indication, they actually can make an exciting car.  Those are nice and definitely on my list for next time.

The new Malibu is phenomenal and the G8 is an absolute blast to drive.

I don't know as much about Ford's vehicle lineup.

The biggesst trick is returning to profitability and leveling the playing field (read: getting the Bank of Japan to cease their currency devaluation and getting the foreign countries to open their markets to the point that ours are.)
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2008, 12:07:42 PM »

The new Malibu is phenomenal and the G8 is an absolute blast to drive.

I don't know as much about Ford's vehicle lineup.

The biggesst trick is returning to profitability and leveling the playing field (read: getting the Bank of Japan to cease their currency devaluation and getting the foreign countries to open their markets to the point that ours are.)

I like both of those cars a lot, but can't believe they don't offer an in-dash navigation system in either one.  After having it in my last two cars, I'll never buy one without it.
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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2008, 12:17:28 PM »

I like both of those cars a lot, but can't believe they don't offer an in-dash navigation system in either one.  After having it in my last two cars, I'll never buy one without it.

That is strange. I know at our dealer you can get it added on, third party. GM also does offer the OnStar which has the option for turn-by-turn directions which work excellent. Of course there is the subscriber fee but I don't think its very much considering all of the safety aspects that come associated with OnStar.
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2008, 01:05:27 PM »

I like both of those cars a lot, but can't believe they don't offer an in-dash navigation system in either one.  After having it in my last two cars, I'll never buy one without it.

I would rather go with a handheld.  An in-dash navigation system was one of the things listed as an option to avoid.  It seems the article mentioned something about updating the system, but then that problem may have been resolved by now.  In any case, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, but I understand it is important to some.  Just a question, do you turn your cars over relatively quick, say 2-3 years?
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« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2008, 01:19:36 PM »

I would rather go with a handheld.  An in-dash navigation system was one of the things listed as an option to avoid.  It seems the article mentioned something about updating the system, but then that problem may have been resolved by now.  In any case, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, but I understand it is important to some.  Just a question, do you turn your cars over relatively quick, say 2-3 years?

I usually keep cars for 3-4 years.  I actually have a portable GPS that I use when I rent cars in other cities.  I don't like the cord and having the unit in the way of my vision, plus I worry about someone breaking into the car to steal the unit.  The in-dash setup is just so much cleaner and I like the way it works with the other electronic functions in the car.  (For instance, it can lower the radio volume when it gives out verbal directions.)  My wife and I each have different nav systems built into our different car brands, but they both work by DVD.  You can get a new DVD if you want to update the system.  The portable can be updated just by a download from the internet, so it is actually more up-to-date, but other than a few hotels and restaurants changing names, the updates aren't that critical to me.
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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2008, 01:29:14 PM »

I usually keep cars for 3-4 years.  I actually have a portable GPS that I use when I rent cars in other cities.  I don't like the cord and having the unit in the way of my vision, plus I worry about someone breaking into the car to steal the unit.  The in-dash setup is just so much cleaner and I like the way it works with the other electronic functions in the car.  (For instance, it can lower the radio volume when it gives out verbal directions.)  My wife and I each have different nav systems built into our different car brands, but they both work by DVD.  You can get a new DVD if you want to update the system.  The portable can be updated just by a download from the internet, so it is actually more up-to-date, but other than a few hotels and restaurants changing names, the updates aren't that critical to me.

Thanks for the information T-M-T.  I'm not familiar with the systems and have to base my limited knowledge on what I read.
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2008, 01:35:50 PM »

Thanks for the information T-M-T.  I'm not familiar with the systems and have to base my limited knowledge on what I read.

I will add that an updated DVD for my nav system (Acura) runs $185, which is more than some complete portable GPS units run.  So if you are looking to save money, portable is definitely the way to go.
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