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Kazimer

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"...and they broke me."
« on: September 05, 2008, 09:41:03 PM »

"...and they broke me."

For me, the most surprising and the "stop to listen"  moment of last night's John McCain speech was when he said, "and they broke me."

And it almost came out of nowhere. The speech was a little...boring up until then.

John McCain is not the most gifted in delivering a speech. He jumps on applause lines.

As such, I wasn't expecting anything extraordinary from McCain last night.

However, to me, the following part of his speech was an extraordinary moment in this campaign season.

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Long ago, something unusual happened to me that taught me the most valuable lesson of my life. I was blessed by misfortune. I mean that sincerely. I was blessed because I served in the company of heroes, and I witnessed a thousand acts of courage, compassion and love.

On an October morning, in the Gulf of Tonkin, I prepared for my 23rd mission over North Vietnam. I hadn't any worry I wouldn't come back safe and sound. I thought I was tougher than anyone. I was pretty independent then, too. I liked to bend a few rules, and pick a few fights for the fun of it. But I did it for my own pleasure; my own pride. I didn't think there was a cause more important than me.

Then I found myself falling toward the middle of a small lake in the city of Hanoi, with two broken arms, a broken leg, and an angry crowd waiting to greet me. I was dumped in a dark cell, and left to die. I didn't feel so tough anymore. When they discovered my father was an admiral, they took me to a hospital. They couldn't set my bones properly, so they just slapped a cast on me. When I didn't get better, and was down to about a hundred pounds, they put me in a cell with two other Americans. I couldn't do anything. I couldn't even feed myself. They did it for me. I was beginning to learn the limits of my selfish independence. Those men saved my life.

I was in solitary confinement when my captors offered to release me. I knew why. If I went home, they would use it as propaganda to demoralize my fellow prisoners. Our Code said we could only go home in the order of our capture, and there were men who had been shot down before me. I thought about it, though. I wasn't in great shape, and I missed everything about America. But I turned it down.

A lot of prisoners had it worse than I did. I'd been mistreated before, but not as badly as others. I always liked to strut a little after I'd been roughed up to show the other guys I was tough enough to take it. But after I turned down their offer, they worked me over harder than they ever had before. For a long time. And they broke me.

When they brought me back to my cell, I was hurt and ashamed, and I didn't know how I could face my fellow prisoners. The good man in the cell next door, my friend, Bob Craner, saved me. Through taps on a wall he told me I had fought as hard as I could. No man can always stand alone. And then he told me to get back up and fight again for our country and for the men I had the honor to serve with. Because every day they fought for me.

I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's. I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here. I loved it for its decency; for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people. I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's.

I'm not running for president because I think I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God.
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Re: "...and they broke me."
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 10:36:12 PM »

Clearly he has been damaged by his POW experience and rightfully so, all the more reason that he shouldn’t be the President of the United States.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 10:46:43 PM »

" ...and they broke me ..."

As one writer assessed  and to which I agree :

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But it was an amazing line because some might think it makes him smaller, but it actually makes him seem larger. The way he talked about being broken and built back up as a different man -a better man- was illuminating. The idea that suffering can bless us in unforeseen ways was a suprising turn in a political speech. I trust John McCain more today than I did yesterday. By admitting his limitations he seemed more...presidential.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 10:53:59 PM »

Clearly he has been damaged by his POW experience and rightfully so, all the more reason that he shouldn’t be the President of the United States.

FF:
You madam are in no position to make a judgement of John McCain one way or the other.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 11:38:38 PM »

FF:
You madam are in no position to make a judgement of John McCain one way or the other.


Sleep it off and try to think of something intelligent when you’re sober. ;)
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 12:11:09 AM »

I haven't yet had a chance to watch McCain's speech. I plan to do that tomorrow; I'll watch for this. Thanks, Kaz!!
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 12:19:57 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2008, 03:00:12 AM »

FF:
You madam are in no position to make a judgement of John McCain one way or the other.
Please explain that.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2008, 03:03:13 AM »

Please explain that.



He didn't like what Fry was saying so he called him a girl.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2008, 06:17:12 AM »

Kopke must have been inebriated when he left that last comment and while I risk making his head too big for his pencil neck to hold up………he actually has a following that looks up to him.

Scary!
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2008, 07:07:12 AM »

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But it was an amazing line because some might think it makes him smaller, but it actually makes him seem larger. The way he talked about being broken and built back up as a different man -a better man- was illuminating. The idea that suffering can bless us in unforeseen ways was a suprising turn in a political speech.

That's kinda scary.

I have read more than once that McCain became a POW on his first day there.  That's kinda scary too.
The fact that he continues to use his POW experience repeatedly in his campaign, instead of his plans to make this country a better place, scores no points with me.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2008, 09:23:25 AM »

I think that the man deserves to use the POW story for the rest of his life.  He's a hero.

And I think that the line that Kazimer brought up was extraordinary.  Personally, I think that it's good to have a leader who understands weakness.

But the old Karl Rove playbook is to attack your opponent's strength.  And John Kerry was an American hero as well.  So, the POW story is fair game for Democratic attack.

And the fact that someone was a POW has very little relevance to whether he or she will be a good president.

Neither Abraham Lincoln nor Franklin Roosevelt even served in the military.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2008, 09:54:21 AM »

I think that the man deserves to use the POW story for the rest of his life.  He's a hero.

And I think that the line that Kazimer brought up was extraordinary.  Personally, I think that it's good to have a leader who understands weakness.

But the old Karl Rove playbook is to attack your opponent's strength.  And John Kerry was an American hero as well.  So, the POW story is fair game for Democratic attack.

And the fact that someone was a POW has very little relevance to whether he or she will be a good president.

Neither Abraham Lincoln nor Franklin Roosevelt even served in the military.

My sentiments exactly Mr. Ingels.


The idea that suffering can bless us in unforeseen ways....this is true and will/should be reflected in the way you live your life.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2008, 11:54:57 PM »

He didn't like what Fry was saying so he called him a girl.

I got the insult.

What I'm wondering is why Kopke claims FrenchFry isn't qualified to make a judgment about McCain.

Does this mean I can't  judge an amputee because I still have all my body parts?

Must a person refrain from judging a murderer if he's never personally murdered someone?

What "qualifies" a person to judge another person? Kopke?
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2008, 01:25:59 PM »

Clearly he has been damaged by his POW experience and rightfully so, all the more reason that he shouldn’t be the President of the United States.

Wow. I really don't know what to say other than this shows frenchfry has risen to a new level of douchebaggery not often seen on monroetalks.com. Saying that serving our country as a prisoner of war makes a person "damaged" and unfit for the presidency takes a certain level of real cowardice.


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