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SMASH

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Re: UAW on strike against GM.
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2007, 11:58:19 AM »

I will continue to knock the republican party because they do the majority more harm then anyone. Unions are good for people, it is as simple as that. Not good for corporations. The GOP doesn't like that. Hell, half the union members don't vote anyhow.
Brainwashing is an amazing thing. The democrats use unions as a voting base, like the GOP uses evangelicals. Is there a problem there for you?
The GOP taught you unions were bad, and Smash and old salt have fallen for it. I thought you guys were better. What the hell is wrong with collective bargaining? I am all for the middle class getting ahead. the status quo is not allowing this to happen any longer. We have been under republican rule for the majority of the time since 1970, and it has been a royal screw up. Spout your silly BS, but look around you, that is where the truth is.

The GOP didn't teach me anything about unions. My father did. He worked for the UAW in two shops for over 35 years.
The idea of unions I have no problem with. Yet some of the unions have become what they despise, a large bureaucracy, wasting money.
Good thing the strike may be over, many of the auto workers I know can't afford to be on strike more than a week!
There is NOTHING wrong with collective bargaining. I am for the middle class getting ahead also. Some day I would like to get to the middle class!
You tell me to look around to see the truth? When you know damn good and well the unions will have NO effect on anything as long as the monetary and fiscal policies of the nation stay the same. Other than to maintain the status quo, unfortunately.
Again, this situation is larger than BS party politics.

Which one of the Democrats are going to make anything any better given their fabulous record of supporting the unions? Hmmm. Clinton, Obama, Edwards? An elitist, a socialist, and an ambulance chasing trial lawyer, wow what a combo to pick from.
McCain, Rommney, The Mayor? No Different. No help. Fred Thompson? I don't think so.

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Re: UAW on strike against GM.
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2007, 12:12:25 PM »

I think there are plenty of people that would really like those jobs! I would be careful if I were the UAW leadership. What do you think?

True enough, the age of labor unions has come and gone, they do nothing but help raise the cost of living...
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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2007, 12:36:13 PM »

The age of labor unions have come and gone? Why? Just like the days of our personal freedoms have come and gone. Why? Because we have become to apathetic to do anything about it. Smash is correct in that both parties are no good, and both offer nothing, why? Because we have allowed them to do so.
Why have we stopped demanding our politicians work for us, or our employers treat us fairly and pay us a living wage? The demise of unions has destroyed the middle class. Smash you said you would like to get there, I would love to see you there also. Anyone who is willing to work hard should be able to live well in this country. If you can not see the relationship between lower wages, and the loss of union jobs you are blind. The companies still move elsewhere for the almighty dollar. Can you live on $1.50 an hour?
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« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2007, 12:54:45 PM »

I agree that both parties are no good.  Maybe we have allowed them to do so, but they aren't listening to us either.  Remember the people's roar over the amnesty bill? Now they're trying to sneak it in again.  I have no intention of voting for an incumbent again.

I don't see the relationship between lower wages and the loss of union jobs, but I do see the relationship between union jobs and companies taking their work elsewhere.  Their time has come and gone.  70,000 union workers and 340,000 retired union workers.  Who's gonna bail the union out - the government? you? me? yes, yes, and yes.

Globalization has destroyed the middle class, and unions. Business 101. 

Whatever happened to national pride.  If it ever comes back, so will the good times.  The blame america first crowd are the ones who are blind.

imho.
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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2007, 12:55:44 PM »

I think there are plenty of people that would really like those jobs! I would be careful if I were the UAW leadership. What do you think?

True enough, the age of labor unions has come and gone, they do nothing but help raise the cost of living...

that, zard0z,, you could have kept to yourself.

How did you come to that conclusion?  All your years of living?  All the jobs you have held?  Your 4 years spent in a college getting a degree in economics?

Please tell us what makes you an expert, on the cost of living and the Union.                             
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« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2007, 01:20:04 PM »

Less union jobs, and they are still moving elsewhere old salt. Maybe if the unions were still as strong as they once were globalization would not be an issue. That is how our nation got where it once was. By sticking together and fighting for what we believed in, yes, national pride.
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« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2007, 02:35:56 PM »

All I keep hearing about is the lack of jobs in Monroe. Mac Steel has been hiring for over 2 years. They have a problem finding people that have a HS diploma or GED, not a Felon and can pass a piss test. I almost forgot, there is a little test to see if you know how to convert standard to metric and decimal to fractions.

Once someone gets hired, they have a problem going to work, and get fired. 

apply at Cardinal Service in lamberville. They are on Lewis. When you go there, let them know you are applying for Mac Steel in Monroe.  Starting pay is around 12 or 13 + ot an hour. Once you get hired full time, pay goes up to 20 + ot. The amount of time it takes, to go from temp to full time depends on you.

So now there is no excuse for not finding a job in Monroe. I have heard of all kinds getting jobs there, so if you truly want to work,, get off the couch,, it is not your friend.   

And yes they also hire Women
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« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2007, 04:42:08 PM »

Less union jobs, and they are still moving elsewhere old salt. Maybe if the unions were still as strong as they once were globalization would not be an issue. That is how our nation got where it once was. By sticking together and fighting for what we believed in, yes, national pride.


We are all going to be part of a Union soon enough.

The North American Union!!! YEEEEEEE HA. Your national pride is being sold right out from underneath you.

OBEY, we know what's good for you.
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« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2007, 04:50:10 PM »

So true Smash, this little strike is just a blip.
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Re: UAW on strike against GM.
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2007, 01:58:01 AM »

It's all happening before our eyes, and here we sit, arguing which party is to blame. Ford Motor just opened a new plant in China a couple days ago. they are going to build the focus and a Mazda 2. How long before we see those cars here in the U.S. with the good ole Blue oval. Buy American.

No I'm not turning my back on my bread and butter, I'm saying tell the dealer you want a product built here in the States, at a plant on U.S. soil, and if the name sticker doesn't say made in the U.S.,, you don't have to take delivery. I did this with my f150. the first one they brought me was made in Canada, the one I excepted was made in dearborn.

And yes I do have 2 cars built in the U.K. and sold under the ford family of cars.
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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2007, 10:44:28 AM »

I think there are plenty of people that would really like those jobs! I would be careful if I were the UAW leadership. What do you think?

True enough, the age of labor unions has come and gone, they do nothing but help raise the cost of living...

that, zard0z,, you could have kept to yourself.

How did you come to that conclusion?  All your years of living?  All the jobs you have held?  Your 4 years spent in a college getting a degree in economics?

Please tell us what makes you an expert, on the cost of living and the Union.                             

Can you prove it wrong...?


Why such a personal attack?   Don't question my education because you don't like my opinion.

And do not tell me to keep something to myself either...I have the right to say what I feel...!

Be the better person and prove me wrong before you go insulting...!



The high wages of union employees cause the companies to raise the price of their product which in turn causes the market of the product to increase as well. This continues until the union employee has to ask for another raise to cover the difference in cost from their last raise and keep in mind that the auto industry are not the only unions out there...



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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2007, 04:36:52 PM »

Hey Chutney,

What if instead I went to my dealership and said that I want a quality built car that's dependable and gets great gas milage.  I also want a great warranty and a model with good resale value.  On top of all of this I want a great low price.  What if they showed me a foreign car?

Am I not supposed to buy the car that meets all of these standards just becuase it's made in Japan? I have the feeling that someone like you would rather point their finger at me telling me how I should "buy american" rather than point your finger at the auto company and tell them they need to make more competitive products.  Honestly, do you think that the american auto market even compares to the foreign auto market as far as competitive products go??  Say that Ford or GM were also foreign-made vehicles with the same price and quality, would you still buy them?

The auto industry is a free-market.  The U.S. is not putting out competitive products plain and simple.  You cannot tilt the scales by guilting consumers to buy american made products just because they should, the auto companies do not need chairity, they need competitive products. 
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