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[Matt (formerly ML)]

Your "drop dead" proved his point of who is promoting violent force and thuggery.

Open your eyes. It's a wish, not a threat. You ought to pay better attention: not once has jbs claimed that I'm promoting violence and thuggery.

His "point", that is, the premise upon which he bases his actions, is that might makes right. You can see that, can't you?

[The Shaggy Marlin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZ_9-rbslo

[ducksoup]

Open your eyes. It's a wish, not a threat. You ought to pay better attention: not once has jbs claimed that I'm promoting violence and thuggery.

His "point", that is, the premise upon which he bases his actions, is that might makes right. You can see that, can't you?

Matt  I really don't see why you are going off on me.  I was not attacking you.  Might makes right seems to come from your side more than his.  But, if you want to believe it the other way I don't care.  I have no stake in your convo.  Just thought you would want an outside opinion.  Sionara.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Matt  I really don't see why you are going off on me.  I was not attacking you.

"Going off"? You really ought to develop much thicker skin if you're going to agree with a liar and an advocate of theft.

Might makes right seems to come from your side more than his.

Go back and re-read this thread. Look deep. Deeper than you've ever looked. Think about who owns you. Look past the litmus test of harsh words. I've distilled it, as best I can. All you really need to examine is this: "There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway" and that I'm not the one who made that claim.

Sionara.

It's "sayonara." Or, if you're anticipating engaging me again, it would be "mata ashita", "again, tomorrow."

I've been to Japan a couple times, at enormous expense to other things I'd like to do in my life. You should go if you can. You won't regret it.

Ganbatte!

[jbs49238]

Again you lie. I've answered you many times, and not once did my answers penetrate the gulag of your stunted mind.

I'll make you a deal, make this very simple for you so that you can prove I am a liar.  I am going to post the questions below in bold print.  All you have to do is come along and copy and paste in the quotes from this thread where you answered the question.  Real simple just show me your answers to my very specific questions then you can call me a liar.  When your response to a question is a diatribe about how the question is presumptive you have not answered the question.  If it makes you feel more comfortable I am going to provide some canned answers which you can scratch and replace with your own if you finally decide to answer.

Here goes:

Q:Why do you feel as a US citizen you should be exempt from the results of our election process, citing only that you refuse to participate?

A: Because I don't like the way government represents my opinions, so I feel since I don't like the decisions I shouldn't have to pay taxes or be subject to those decisions, even though I participate in activities or use services daily that would not be available to me had those decisions not been made or funded by taxes collected for the purpose.  In other words I want to play but not pay.

Q:What country does it better? 

A: None, but by admitting that I would have no leg for my argument to stand on.  I'll continue to evade this question by saying it is filled with presumption.

Q:Why have you not sought refuge there?

A:Since the answer to the last question is none, but I cannot admit it, I also have to fight more embedded presumption here and evade this question as well.  So... I will say that you are practicing love it or leave it even though I hate it and would love nothing more than for a anarchian society to pop up which reflects my personal utopia.

Bonus question:

Q: How do you feel right now?

A: A little winded and my feet are sore, let me get these tap dancing shoes off and slip into some sneakers.

One of us is proceeding from the premise that all human interaction must be voluntary, and one of us presumes that at least some violent force is required for human interaction.

Take one guess which of those is you.

Drop dead.

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Your "drop dead" proved his point of who is promoting violent force and thuggery.

Open your eyes. It's a wish, not a threat. You ought to pay better attention: not once has jbs claimed that I'm promoting violence and thuggery.

His "point", that is, the premise upon which he bases his actions, is that might makes right. You can see that, can't you?

Geez duck, open your eyes man!

ML simply proves the hypocrisy of his position with that statement.  ML would love it if I dropped dead, he even said it was a wish, but to keep with his "philosophy" he of course would never come and do it himself.  On the other hand if someone were to take his matters into their own hands he would be perfectly OK with it, you see his vote is for me to drop dead, but since he would never physically participate in that process, he gets to rest easy knowing he was not personally responsible for any bad act that would happen to me.  The reality is that he cannot hide the evil intent of his heart, that is something that I or you cannot help him with.  Wishing someone would drop dead shows a complete disregard for decency.  ML I would never wish you to drop dead, why would you do that to me?  Thinking you can take a moral high ground because of a refusal to participate in something, even though you would like to see it happen, does not make you any less immoral.  PS Karma is a *****!

Matt  I really don't see why you are going off on me.  I was not attacking you.  Might makes right seems to come from your side more than his.  But, if you want to believe it the other way I don't care. 

Great insight duck.

What ML is after is for no one to have the right to regulate his life through the creation of laws passed by elected officials (anarchy).  What he fails to see is that without those laws in place the entire world would be run on a might makes right basis.  The strongest thugs would become the rulers then we would all live in a situation where we would have no say in how we are governed.  For whatever reason, ML seems to think that if anarchy were to prevail everyone would sit around the campfire singing CUMBYA (sp who cares).  What he fails to see, but already demonstrated by his wish for me to drop dead, is the human nature of man to be greedy and violent, and the inability of his philosophy to control it.

Of course ML also believes that the simple act of saying good morning to someone who does not want to hear it is a violent interaction because one person uses force to make the other hear the words.  In a nutshell his philosophy is whack!

[jbs49238]

"Going off"? You really ought to develop much thicker skin if you're going to agree with a liar and an advocate of theft.

Go back and re-read this thread. Look deep. Deeper than you've ever looked. Think about who owns you. Look past the litmus test of harsh words. I've distilled it, as best I can. All you really need to examine is this: "There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway" and that I'm not the one who made that claim.
It's "sayonara." Or, if you're anticipating engaging me again, it would be "mata ashita", "again, tomorrow."

I've been to Japan a couple times, at enormous expense to other things I'd like to do in my life. You should go if you can. You won't regret it.

Ganbatte!

It is interesting, and completely expected that you would want someone reading this thread to start at that point.  The meat of this and the context of it gets ramped up in post #33 and #34, yet you point the reader to post #48 in order to avoid the context and spin the direction of the reader.  You say dig seeper, but then steer them to 48, deeper would be 33 and 34, then they can understand the context behind 48.

PS I am not backing off that statement nor the context behind it.  It is you trying to bury the context so that you can spin the statement, just like you cut up a bunch of other posts and tried to tie them together to create spin.  In the absence of truth you instead try to spin the thread.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

What ML is after...

Don't ever presume to speak for me.

You presume to speak for me every time you waddle your presumptuous *** into a government voting booth. Don't do it here.

...is for no one to have the right to regulate his life...

Again, you reveal your violent nature: you would regulate (<--- click that link) my life without my consent.

What he fails to see is that without those laws in place the entire world would be run on a might makes right basis.

Look, retard, the city of Chicago (<--- another clicky link)  is awash in law and order, and regulation, yet remains the murder capital of the US.

What do you think is going on right now?

Representation, or else. There's no way to opt out of your protection scam.

Everyone "regulates" their life by making voluntary arrangements with other people. There is no other way that does not require violence.

Of course ML also believes...

Again rabbit, don't ever speak for me.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

You say dig seeper [sic], but then steer them to 48, deeper would be 33 and 34, then they can understand the context behind 48.

"Deeper" there means introspection and examination of the premises, not earlier in the record of posts.

It's no surprise that you deliberately mis-represented that.

My challenge stands: come try to build your toll booth at the end of my driveway.

[jbs49238]

Don't ever presume to speak for me.I think you are ticked because I can put your philosophy into words better than you can.

You presume to speak for me every time you waddle your presumptuous *** into a government voting booth. Don't do it here.No I exercise my right to choose my representation when I waddle my presumptuous *** into the booth.  Your whole rallying point in this thread is that we should not be able to tell you what to do.  Then at the end of your statement you turn around and tell me to do something.  Hypocrite! 

Again, you reveal your violent nature: you would regulate (<--- click that link) my life without my consent.  Where is the violence I advocate?  Where did I ever tell you to drop dead?  When did I ever dress one of my statements with undertones of violence?  "Come build your tollbooth I DARE YOU"

Look, retard, the city of Chicago (<--- another clicky link)  is awash in law and order, and regulation, yet remains the murder capital of the US.Your opinion is that there is murder in Chicago because the people are goverend?  There is murder in Chicago because street thugs are taking what they want when they want it.  There are people in Chicago, and all over the world that kill and steal in violation of the law because they are morally vacant and have no respect for human decency.  In other words these people just want others to "drop dead".  Oh and more nice name calling how old are you? 9?

What do you think is going on right now?

Representation, or else. There's no way to opt out of your protection scam.

But this is where you fail to see you are wrong, and where your philosophy hits the dead end.  You can opt out.  You call this love it or leave it, but if you don't love it why would you stay?

Everyone "regulates" their life by making voluntary arrangements with other people. There is no other way that does not require violence.We actually agree somewhat here.  Life is a series of voluntary choices.  I choose to vote, you choose not to vote, neither decision is any more or less moral than the other.  Violence is also a voluntrary decision.  Mankind is greedy and violent by nature, yet one has to choose to act on it.  In the absence of consequences via laws, Chicago would look like a preschool playground compared to what would happen under your philosophy.

Again ****er, don't ever speak for me.When someone hold a philosophy as wide swinging as yours, I have to vote TO SPEAK FOR ME!  You don't want any of us to speak for ourselves so that when the time comes and your philosophy is in place you can do to any of us as you choose.  You may not be violent and wish us no harm, but what about those that are violent but think the same as you otherwise?  I don't like what your philosophy represents so I vote to speak for myself and keep your philosophy away from me.

Oh and just for shits and giggles:

I'll make you a deal, make this very simple for you so that you can prove I am a liar.  I am going to post the questions below in bold print.  All you have to do is come along and copy and paste in the quotes from this thread where you answered the question.  Real simple just show me your answers to my very specific questions then you can call me a liar.  When your response to a question is a diatribe about how the question is presumptive you have not answered the question.  If it makes you feel more comfortable I am going to provide some canned answers which you can scratch and replace with your own if you finally decide to answer.

Here goes:

Q:Why do you feel as a US citizen you should be exempt from the results of our election process, citing only that you refuse to participate?

A?: Because I don't like the way government represents my opinions, so I feel since I don't like the decisions I shouldn't have to pay taxes or be subject to those decisions, even though I participate in activities or use services daily that would not be available to me had those decisions not been made or funded by taxes collected for the purpose.  In other words I want to play but not pay.


Q:What country does it better?

A?: None, but by admitting that I would have no leg for my argument to stand on.  I'll continue to evade this question by saying it is filled with presumption.

Q:Why have you not sought refuge there?

A?:Since the answer to the last question is none, but I cannot admit it, I also have to fight more embedded presumption here and evade this question as well.  So... I will say that you are practicing love it or leave it even though I hate it and would love nothing more than for a anarchian society to pop up which reflects my personal utopia.

Bonus question:

Q: How do you feel right now?

A?: A little winded and my feet are sore, let me get these tap dancing shoes off and slip into some sneakers.

IF "MY" YOUR ANSWERS ARE INCORRECT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FINALLY ANSWER WITH "YOUR" YOUR ANSWERS.  You won't!  You can't!

These question don't stop until you answer them or stop posting in the thread!

[The Shaggy Marlin]

Oh and just for shits and giggles:

I'll make you a deal, make this very simple for you so that you can prove I am a liar.  I am going to post the questions below in bold print.  All you have to do is come along and copy and paste in the quotes from this thread where you answered the question.  Real simple just show me your answers to my very specific questions then you can call me a liar.  When your response to a question is a diatribe about how the question is presumptive you have not answered the question.  If it makes you feel more comfortable I am going to provide some canned answers which you can scratch and replace with your own if you finally decide to answer.

Here goes:

Q:Why do you feel as a US citizen you should be exempt from the results of our election process, citing only that you refuse to participate?

A?: Because I don't like the way government represents my opinions, so I feel since I don't like the decisions I shouldn't have to pay taxes or be subject to those decisions, even though I participate in activities or use services daily that would not be available to me had those decisions not been made or funded by taxes collected for the purpose.  In other words I want to play but not pay.


Q:What country does it better?

A?: None, but by admitting that I would have no leg for my argument to stand on.  I'll continue to evade this question by saying it is filled with presumption.

Q:Why have you not sought refuge there?

A?:Since the answer to the last question is none, but I cannot admit it, I also have to fight more embedded presumption here and evade this question as well.  So... I will say that you are practicing love it or leave it even though I hate it and would love nothing more than for a anarchian society to pop up which reflects my personal utopia.

Bonus question:

Q: How do you feel right now?

A?: A little winded and my feet are sore, let me get these tap dancing shoes off and slip into some sneakers.

IF "MY" YOUR ANSWERS ARE INCORRECT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FINALLY ANSWER WITH "YOUR" YOUR ANSWERS.  You won't!  You can't!

These question don't stop until you answer them or stop posting in the thread!

JBS, I learned to stop arguing with him a long time ago.  The guy is an anarchist and that's that.  I just like to watch and laugh as he spouts his nonsense.  Oh and I'm sure this post will piss him off.  He'll come back with saying I'm violent because I participate and blah blah blah.  Yet he still pays his taxes.  I don't get it personally.  If you're going to be such a revolutionary why not fight the system you hate so much instead of bitching about it and doing nothing.  He's an armchair QB at best and doesn't have the testicular fortitude to go out and make a difference.

[Frenchfry]

Well I enjoy ML’s food for thought posts.

Many times I’ll be doing something and out of the blue I’ll recall something he has posted.

It’s something to chew on to keep the mind active…..unlike the stale repetitive thoughts gathering dust in the atrophied brain of a Conservative.

It’s use it or lose it and while the GOP has most certainly lost it……the rest of us may have fight to keep an open mind.

[jbs49238]

JBS, I learned to stop arguing with him a long time ago.  The guy is an anarchist and that's that.  I just like to watch and laugh as he spouts his nonsense.  Oh and I'm sure this post will piss him off.  He'll come back with saying I'm violent because I participate and blah blah blah.  Yet he still pays his taxes.  I don't get it personally.  If you're going to be such a revolutionary why not fight the system you hate so much instead of bitching about it and doing nothing.  He's an armchair QB at best and doesn't have the testicular fortitude to go out and make a difference.

Shaggy,

I certainly know that I am not going to change his mind.  There are three reasons that I keep posting in this thread though.

1. He has called me a thief, a rabbit, a bastard, a retard and I am sure many more.  So simply stated there is zero let up on this end, I am not trying to convince him of anything I am going to pound him at every turn though because he has earned it.

2. The hypoocricy.  He says he's non-violent, but violence is a state of mind.  You can be a violent person and not act on it ever in your lifetime.  Non-violent people do not wish others to drop dead, or putting violent undertones in his statements.  To save face he cannot say he would ever do anything violent, but if you read his posts there is obviously violence in his heart.

3. I enjoy the circus that is Matt's dance!  I simply ask the same questions over and over again so that I can either have something else of his to blow to smitherienes, or just let him talk long enough until the hate and hypocricy comes out.  I overly enjoy when people copy and paste things I have said either out of completely different posts, or out of two different thoughts in the same post, then put them together to make it look like I said something completely different.  ML really should get a job with Fox News he's a spinmeister.

I have not known ML, even as a poster, for too long, but his posts seem to be that of a former Republican who just went off the deep end when the party turned into a spending machine.  It really hurts him that there is not a party that represents him, he is alone in the wilderness and since we all still vote we have somehow become evil because he does not like what we vote for.  He complains about having his belongings stolen from him by the government.  He is upset that he has to pay taxes yet has no trouble driving on the roads, or using other public services.  You know someone is a hypoctite when they say buying gasoline for the car they voluntarily drive is complience by force!?!?!

[T-M-T]

Shaggy,

I certainly know that I am not going to change his mind.  There are three reasons that I keep posting in this thread though.

1. He has called me a thief, a ****er, a bastard, a retard and I am sure many more.  So simply stated there is zero let up on this end, I am not trying to convince him of anything I am going to pound him at every turn though because he has earned it.

2. The hypoocricy.  He says he's non-violent, but violence is a state of mind.  You can be a violent person and not act on it ever in your lifetime.  Non-violent people do not wish others to drop dead, or putting violent undertones in his statements.  To save face he cannot say he would ever do anything violent, but if you read his posts there is obviously violence in his heart.

3. I enjoy the circus that is Matt's dance!  I simply ask the same questions over and over again so that I can either have something else of his to blow to smitherienes, or just let him talk long enough until the hate and hypocricy comes out.  I overly enjoy when people copy and paste things I have said either out of completely different posts, or out of two different thoughts in the same post, then put them together to make it look like I said something completely different.  ML really should get a job with Fox News he's a spinmeister.

I have not known ML, even as a poster, for too long, but his posts seem to be that of a former Republican who just went off the deep end when the party turned into a spending machine.  It really hurts him that there is not a party that represents him, he is alone in the wilderness and since we all still vote we have somehow become evil because he does not like what we vote for.  He complains about having his belongings stolen from him by the government.  He is upset that he has to pay taxes yet has no trouble driving on the roads, or using other public services.  You know someone is a hypoctite when they say buying gasoline for the car they voluntarily drive is complience by force!?!?!

I stopped paying attention to him (ML) quite a while ago after he claimed that he had a problem with drunk driving laws and their infringement on his "freedom." 

Selfish, ignorant people don't deserve my time.

[The Shaggy Marlin]

Shaggy,

I certainly know that I am not going to change his mind.  There are three reasons that I keep posting in this thread though.

1. He has called me a thief, a ****er, a bastard, a retard and I am sure many more.  So simply stated there is zero let up on this end, I am not trying to convince him of anything I am going to pound him at every turn though because he has earned it.

2. The hypoocricy.  He says he's non-violent, but violence is a state of mind.  You can be a violent person and not act on it ever in your lifetime.  Non-violent people do not wish others to drop dead, or putting violent undertones in his statements.  To save face he cannot say he would ever do anything violent, but if you read his posts there is obviously violence in his heart.

3. I enjoy the circus that is Matt's dance!  I simply ask the same questions over and over again so that I can either have something else of his to blow to smitherienes, or just let him talk long enough until the hate and hypocricy comes out.  I overly enjoy when people copy and paste things I have said either out of completely different posts, or out of two different thoughts in the same post, then put them together to make it look like I said something completely different.  ML really should get a job with Fox News he's a spinmeister.

I have not known ML, even as a poster, for too long, but his posts seem to be that of a former Republican who just went off the deep end when the party turned into a spending machine.  It really hurts him that there is not a party that represents him, he is alone in the wilderness and since we all still vote we have somehow become evil because he does not like what we vote for.  He complains about having his belongings stolen from him by the government.  He is upset that he has to pay taxes yet has no trouble driving on the roads, or using other public services.  You know someone is a hypoctite when they say buying gasoline for the car they voluntarily drive is complience by force!?!?!

I completely agree with you and I did the same thing for a while.  Keep up the good(entertaining) work.  I'll be watching and laughing as he ducks and dodges questions.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

I think you are ticked because I can put your philosophy into words better than you can.

You really ought to learn how to propagate quotes in these forums.

Now's your chance. What's my philosophy? Huh? You couldn't find your premises with both hands. State my philosophy, genius.

When did I ever dress [sic] one of my statements with undertones of violence?  "Come build your tollbooth I DARE YOU"

You managed to quote your very own self, advocating violence. The thing here is, you think advocating theft isn't violence, but dares are. I'll break it into easy pieces for you. Advocating that a toll booth be built at the end of my driveway is a confession that you want to take things from me, that is, you want to steal something from me. That is: violence. I dared you to do so. My dare is defiance against your theft. My dare only becomes violent when you act on your wish to steal my stuff. That is: I'll respond to your violent theft with the only thing you understand: violence.

Your opinion is that there is murder in Chicago because the people are goverend?

Opinion? bull****. There is murder in Chicago, despite an avalanche of government.

...if you don't love it why would you stay?

Is a mugging victim obligated to surrender his money without a fight? Is a rape victim obligated to lie still and be savaged? I'm under no obligation to leave if you decide you're going delegate a thug to take my things on your behalf.

When your response to a question is a diatribe about how the question is presumptive...

You still want me to adopt your flawed premises. How long have you been fornicating with belt-driven power tools? See?

Here goes:...

And still you presume to speak for me when you can't possibly ever.

These question[sic] don't stop until you answer them or stop posting in the thread!

Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah. Thread... yawn.

Come take what you think I owe you. Really. Private message me. I'll give you my address. You can come and try to build your toll booth, or simply try to take what you imagine I owe you.

You know you won't. You prefer to let others do your dirty work, including your deficient thinking.