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[marilyn.monroe]

Actually I do believe that people should be forced to vote, and that in turn they should be forced to be knowledgeable about the candidates and issues. Also that election day should be more of election week to give everyone the time to do so.

One can use their 'principles' to vote for a third party candidate, or even a write in candidate,  it is your civic duty to vote. If you don't vote, your opinion does not matter as you are not even trying to be a part of the solution.

I don't think people should be forced to vote, and I don't believe there should be any test to deem a voter worthy of voting! Thank God for the Constitution.
I would consider an "election week." That may be a good idea.

I'll make an analogy, and hopefully it will make sense lol.

What arm would you like cut off, your left or your right?
Neither!
Okay, we can go for a third choice and cut off your nose, your ears, or your toes.
No Way!
Alright, you may write in which part of your body you would like cut off.
NO! I don't like any of the options, so I'm not participating in this vote.

[Pax Gothorum]

Michigan congressional delegation seeks more federal aid

Obama wants 1 million plug-in vehicles or vehicles that get at least 150 mpg on the roads by 2015, but that is nearly impossible without significant government funding, experts say.

Obama's eco-fantasizing about our manufacturing capabilities and the civil servants we've sent to Washington, D.C. are reduced to beggary?  They've helped create the mess we're in and are begging for more?  When are we going to learn??

[Pax Gothorum]

SWAT TEAM CONDUCTS FOOD RAIDS IN RURAL OHIO

The present circumstance raises the obvious question: is there some rabid new interpretation of an existing drug law that considers food a controlled substance worthy of a nasty SWAT operation? Or worse, is there a previously unrecognized provision(s) pertaining to food in the Homeland Security measures?

This incident has raised the ominous specter of a restrictive new era in State regulation and enforcement over the nation’s private food supply.

There is a sense of foreboding that this state crackdown on a longstanding, reputable food cooperative operation could adversely impact the peaceful agrarian way of life not only for the Amish, but homeschoolers and those families living off the land on rural acreages. It raises the disturbing possibility that it could become a crime to raise your own food, buy eggs from the farmer down the road, or butcher your own chickens for family and friends – bustling activities that routinely take place in backwater America.

I never even heard of those dirty rotten scoundrels the National Socialist Gestapo raiding food pantries...what's going on in this country??!

[Matt (formerly ML)]

How am I doing?

You fail.

There is no moral difference between a representative republic and a democracy. Both presume to rule the unconsenting. Why would any rational person participate in their own and others' destruction?

Come to my house and impose your beliefs upon me, in person. Do your own dirty work instead of sitting back and watching while your "duely elected" take things from me, on your behalf.

I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Also, I feel that anyone who failed to vote, does not have the right to complain about leadership.

Pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyYpYS-wI_4

You rolled those dice. You don't get to complain. And you most certainly don't get to compel me to pay for the obligations you agreed to when you voted.

[Frenchfry]

I miss George Carlin

[jbs49238]

"How is it arbitrary?"

Look at those constraints upon your life.

Which of those constraints were you specifically, personally, consulted about, and how many did you specifically, personally agree to comply with?

You would never tolerate a group of your neighbors imposing such constraints upon you without your explicit consent. Why would you tolerate such impositions from complete strangers?

You are lost.

These constraints and regulations are put in place by our duely elected officials.  You see Matt this is why we have elections, and this is the joy of living in a Representative Republic (You probably thought I was goning to say Democracy there).  The ones that are lost are those who do not participate in the election process.  There is no weight to your argument since you have not attempted to elect persons to office that hold your beliefs.  But I do understand your point, you just like to complain, and by not voting you can take the rightous high ground and say you were not complicit in the process.  How am I doing?From all this you pull "How am I doing?" as your rebuttal point.  Let everyone see the context instead of starting at an arbitrary point that suits you.

You fail.

There is no moral difference between a representative republic and a democracy. Both presume to rule the unconsenting. Why would any rational person participate in their own and others' destruction?

Come to my house and impose your beliefs upon me, in person. Do your own dirty work instead of sitting back and watching while your "duely elected" take things from me, on your behalf.

I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

I do not need to come to your house to impose anything on you, nor do I wish to.  No one takes anything from you on my behalf.  The duely elected take from you to enrich society (that's what they call it, I call it buying votes), and being an American citizen you are subject to those laws just as much as I am.  I am sorry that living in a Representative Republic offends you so, maybe you should try Europe, or China and see if those systems suit you better.  Or you could vote, try to affect change instead of just coming on the site every 2 weeks and restarting your "laws suck, anarchy now" engine.

BTW I have yet to be destructed by the government.  Can you tell me exactly how you have?  Maybe then we can get to the root of your issues.

Fry, I too miss George Carlin!

[Matt (formerly ML)]

No one takes anything from you on my behalf.

You voted, didn't you?

Can you tell me exactly how you have?  Maybe then we can get to the root of your issues.

As of last year's tax return, governments have taken at least $261,369.97 from me in my life.

My "issue" is people who can't see past their infatuation with delegated coercion.

Every power pig claiming to represent you, sending bipedal rottweilers to collect from you - and me - is a direct result of your lending an air of legitimacy to their actions by your voting, for them, to act on your behalf. Ayn Rand described this as the sanction of the victim. Unfortunately, your sanction has consequences for me as well because there is no way for me to opt out of the consequences of your vote. Whether you understand it or not, the only reason to vote in a government election is the hope that one of the aspirants will act on your behalf to make your neighbors comply with your preferences. No one votes in any government election for any other reason.

Again, I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

[simpleguy02]

I miss George Carlin

you and me both!!

[SMASH]

I still believe my vote matters, and I think withholding it can send a message too.

And it feels PRETTY DARN GOOD to say I didn't vote for McCain or Obama!

Right On!!!!!!

[SMASH]

Not really, you just get classed in with the stats that show how apathetic the majority of American voters are. Also, I feel that anyone who failed to vote, does not have the right to complain about leadership.

Nice.

Another one who believes if you don't participate in the rigged game set up by the owners of the country your 1st Amendment rights should be suspended.

Freedom, the American way.

[SMASH]

Actually I do believe that people should be forced to vote, and that in turn they should be forced to be knowledgeable about the candidates and issues. Also that election day should be more of election week to give everyone the time to do so.

One can use their 'principles' to vote for a third party candidate, or even a write in candidate,  it is your civic duty to vote. If you don't vote, your opinion does not matter as you are not even trying to be a part of the solution.

Solution?

To what?

Um, let's see. Bush for Obama or McCain.

And that was the solution to........................................................

[The Shaggy Marlin]

Nice.

Another one who believes if you don't participate in the rigged game set up by the owners of the country your 1st Amendment rights should be suspended.

Freedom, the American way.

If you think it's so rigged then do somethig to change it.  Are you out there protesting?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Are you out there protesting?

What do you think Smash is doing right here?

You don't have to carry a sign on a sidewalk to protest.

[The Shaggy Marlin]

What do you think Smash is doing right here?

You don't have to carry a sign on a sidewalk to protest.

IF sitting on an internet forum is a form of protesting, it's the laziest form of protesting I have ever heard of.  Do you really think that people actually pay attention to people who ***** and moan on net forums anyway?