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[zard0z]

What do you think Smash is doing right here?

You don't have to carry a sign on a sidewalk to protest. (that's funny, because that's what I thought protesting meant.)

Posting an opinion isn't much of a "protest"...

In fact it's just stating whats on your mind for others to read or not, and people can be very selective in what they wish to read(and how they interpret it!)...No, spouting off "OBEY YOUR MASTERS" on an Internet forum is not protesting or furthering any cause and it's not that great of a way to enlighten or convince others of your view point either.

[SMASH]

If you think it's so rigged then do somethig to change it.  Are you out there protesting?

I do much more than protest. I participate in the process.

This forum is nothing more than a mechanism to facilitate conversation. Very important conversation I might add.

I have found that this forum is actually a pretty fair microcosm of our community and the opinions of the community.
To that end it has helped me formulate the methods and direction of my lobbying efforts in the "process" by better identifying my potential adversaries and their motivations.
What I find dissapointing the the amount of folks who will look in on our conversations and offer no input by just lurking and not participating.

I also find it somewhat gratifying that I have 6 Iggys!
I look at them as 6 that have no stomach for the fight, or are too weak to articulate and defend their positions when they are in opposition to mine. Or, possibly 6 that are so indoctrinated to their position they have simply given up in trying to persuade me over to their view.
I have much more respect, even in disagreement, with those such as Shaggy and FF for their defense of their positions in the face of open opposition than those that will willingly concede the debate. Even when some comments may take a personal tone I take no offense at all. I have been called much worse by my Drill Instructors many years ago. Hell, to be honest if the topic goes personal most times you're winning!

[The Shaggy Marlin]

I do much more than protest. I participate in the process.

This forum is nothing more than a mechanism to facilitate conversation. Very important conversation I might add.

I have found that this forum is actually a pretty fair microcosm of our community and the opinions of the community.
To that end it has helped me formulate the methods and direction of my lobbying efforts in the "process" by better identifying my potential adversaries and their motivations.
What I find dissapointing the the amount of folks who will look in on our conversations and offer no input by just lurking and not participating.

I also find it somewhat gratifying that I have 6 Iggys!
I look at them as 6 that have no stomach for the fight, or are too weak to articulate and defend their positions when they are in opposition to mine. Or, possibly 6 that are so indoctrinated to their position they have simply given up in trying to persuade me over to their view.
I have much more respect, even in disagreement, with those such as Shaggy and FF for their defense of their positions in the face of open opposition than those that will willingly concede the debate. Even when some comments may take a personal tone I take no offense at all. I have been called much worse by my Drill Instructors many years ago. Hell, to be honest if the topic goes personal most times you're winning!

I'll agree with you.  I respect guys like you  who actualy sand up for their beliefs.  I didn't mean to get on your case but I find people who take no action annoying.

[jbs49238]

You voted, didn't you?


As of last year's tax return, governments have taken at least $261,369.97 from me in my life.

My "issue" is people who can't see past their infatuation with delegated coercion.

Every power pig claiming to represent you, sending bipedal rottweilers to collect from you - and me - is a direct result of your lending an air of legitimacy to their actions by your voting, for them, to act on your behalf. Ayn Rand described this as the sanction of the victim. Unfortunately, your sanction has consequences for me as well because there is no way for me to opt out of the consequences of your vote. Whether you understand it or not, the only reason to vote in a government election is the hope that one of the aspirants will act on your behalf to make your neighbors comply with your preferences. No one votes in any government election for any other reason.

Again, I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

Huh?  It must kill you to live in America where we have a system that allows you take make enough money to be TAXED OVER A 1/4 OF A MILLION DOLLARS.  No freaking wonder you don't like the system, you are flat out greedy.

I revert back to my earlier suggestion that maybe you should find a system that benefits your needs better than the good 'ol USA, since you have it so bad here.

Been taxed over $261,000.....and I'm guessing you are not an invalid geriatric.  Your posts are beginning to resound as if you attempted to cheat the government and got caught.  Is this the source of your anger?  You don't want government but don't feel real bad about enjoying its benefits do you.  There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway.  Taxed over $261,000.  How many years has it been since you voted GOP?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Do you really think that people actually pay attention to people who b**** and moan on net forums anyway?

You paid enough attention to read it and reply.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

In fact it's just stating whats on your mind for others to read or not, and people can be very selective in what they wish to read(and how they interpret it!)...No, spouting off "OBEY YOUR MASTERS" on an Internet forum is not protesting or furthering any cause and it's not that great of a way to enlighten or convince others of your view point either.

See the above.


And fix your cite from me.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Huh?  It must kill you to live in America where we have a system that allows you take make enough money to be TAXED OVER A 1/4 OF A MILLION DOLLARS.  No freaking wonder you don't like the system, you are flat out greedy.

I revert back to my earlier suggestion that maybe you should find a system that benefits your needs better than the good 'ol USA, since you have it so bad here.

Been taxed over $261,000.....and I'm guessing you are not an invalid geriatric.  Your posts are beginning to resound as if you attempted to cheat the government and got caught.  Is this the source of your anger?  You don't want government but don't feel real bad about enjoying its benefits do you.  There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway.  Taxed over $261,000.  How many years has it been since you voted GOP?

Just as I knew you'd do, you got bent out of shape over that number, even though you don't know me, and have no idea how generous I am. You wrote all those words and exhibited not one glimmer of recognition that all that money I earned was taken from me on behalf of you and your fellow votistas.

You want to take things that belong to me. You said it yourself: "There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway." I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me? Why should I leave because you want something that belongs to me?

The thing is, you won't do it yourself. That's why you vote. You want someone else to do your dirty work. Again, whether you understand it or not, (and it's abundantly clear that you don't) the only reason to vote in a government election is the hope that one of the elected will make your neighbors comply with your preferences.


"There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway."

**** you. I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

I participate in the process.

Would you participate in the process of your own execution?

That's what's going on, and that process is gaining speed.

[Lethlweapn]

Just as I knew you'd do, you got bent out of shape over that number, even though you don't know me, and have no idea how generous I am. You wrote all those words and exhibited not one glimmer of recognition that all that money I earned was taken from me on behalf of you and your fellow votistas.

You want to take things that belong to me. You said it yourself: "There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway." I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me? Why should I leave because you want something that belongs to me?

The thing is, you won't do it yourself. That's why you vote. You want someone else to do your dirty work. Again, whether you understand it or not, (and it's abundantly clear that you don't) the only reason to vote in a government election is the hope that one of the elected will make your neighbors comply with your preferences.


"There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway."

**** you. I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

How is this? First give you back your $261K THEN put the toll booth at the end of your road. You don't want to pay for the roads then why should you be able to use them without paying for them?

[jbs49238]

Just as I knew you'd do, you got bent out of shape over that number, even though you don't know me, and have no idea how generous I am. You wrote all those words and exhibited not one glimmer of recognition that all that money I earned was taken from me on behalf of you and your fellow votistas.

You want to take things that belong to me. You said it yourself: "There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway." I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me? Why should I leave because you want something that belongs to me?

The thing is, you won't do it yourself. That's why you vote. You want someone else to do your dirty work. Again, whether you understand it or not, (and it's abundantly clear that you don't) the only reason to vote in a government election is the hope that one of the elected will make your neighbors comply with your preferences.


"There should be a damn toll booth at the end of your driveway."

**** you. I'd never do such a thing to you. Why would you do that to me?

So how long did it take for the government to come knocking on your door for the taxes you didn't pay?  Is that what happened?  You are crying like a kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

You don't want any government?  Fine keep your $261,000 in a mattress or under your bed.  When the gang of 6 street thugs comes and takes it from you (you may get one or two of them but your $$$$ will be gone) just remember that it will be legal for them to do it since there are no laws anymore.

Now back to your question about why I vote.  Because I am participating in the process of my representation.  This process has been in place since this country was founded.  Voting is not some twist added by violent overthrow of our old government so that the desires of some can be thrust upon you.  You don't have to vote R or D.  I didn't.  Did you know there was a candidate in this past election that favors abolishing the IRS? 

I understand why I vote.  It is abundantly clear that YOU don't understand why I vote.

I too pay my fair share of taxes, pay in every year.  Also donate whenever and wherever I can, so don't say I have "no idea how generous I am", that's just you trying to look like the white knight on the rainbow colored horse..... "LOOK AT ME I'M GENEROUS".  If you have to broadcast that you are generous, you either are trying to convice yourself that you are, or you have a complex that requires everyone to see your generosity so they can think highly of you.

To me you still seem like a greedy person that want to take and not give.  You have decided what your fair share is and since you pay more than the amount you have in mind, the rest of the world is "taking" from you.  So thank you for your donation.  Coupled with mine and everyone else's I can drive to work on roads made from asphalt not gravel, I can drink water from my tap, and I don't have to wait for 60 degrees weather to take the snow off of my road because a nice guy paid by us comes by and plows it for me.

I reiterate my three questions to you: 

What country better suits your needs of being able to keep all of the money you have been allowed to make as an American citizen? 

Why haven't you moved there? 

When did you stop voting GOP?

[Pax Gothorum]

Some of the biggest names in "American" politics are enroute to Munich to discuss (or is that "receive their marching orders for" ??) our future.  I would have thought such an important discussion would take place somewhat closer to home, if not here.  Silly me.

Searching for a New World Order <- link

The closely watched Munich security conference, which starts next week, has become a large-scale summit for world leaders. This year the US is sending a high-ranking delegation, led by Vice President Joe Biden

The Americans are coming in force. Accompanying Biden will be General David Petraeus...Richard Holbrooke...

The American delegation also includes old Munich hands John McCain, John Kerry and Joseph Lieberman, three influential senators who all once wanted to be president. Kerry, who would have liked to have had Hillary Clinton's job as secretary of state, is now chairman of the influential Senate Foreign Relations Committee and will decide whether Obama's ideas on disarmament agreements with Russia are pushed forward. And James Jones, Obama's national security adviser, is coming too. The general in the White House was a surprising choice for the post -- even for Obama, who is known for his surprises.

Delegates prefer to hold the so-called exploratory talks on the sidelines of the conference.

"Exploratory" and "on the sidelines"?  Sounds like marching orders to me...

[DeamonCohln]

I am so glad that I have yet to smoke as much weed as it would take me to get as paranoid as you are Erich.

You're bent on blaming a group for something. Anyone that steps in and says this is logically inconsistent by attacking groups and not issues is just "censoring" you. The Jews have done just as many atrocities as Whites, Blacks, Asians, and any other ethnic groups. Race doesn't exist. Your just paranoid for nor reason. I am not proud to be white like I am not proud to be human. It's nothing to be proud of.

Oh and the Illuminati died in Belgium in the 1700's.

[SMASH]

Would you participate in the process of your own execution?

That's what's going on, and that process is gaining speed.

I agree 100%.

[SPOOKYTOOTH]

I do much more than protest. I participate in the process.

This forum is nothing more than a mechanism to facilitate conversation. Very important conversation I might add.

I have found that this forum is actually a pretty fair microcosm of our community and the opinions of the community.
To that end it has helped me formulate the methods and direction of my lobbying efforts in the "process" by better identifying my potential adversaries and their motivations.
What I find dissapointing the the amount of folks who will look in on our conversations and offer no input by just lurking and not participating.

True, but one has to hope that those on the sidelines are being informed and are seeking the truth for themselves; or at least are seeking to prove for themselves that which we here say as to truth or fiction. These and the many other boards like it across this nation serve much the same purpose that the town "fliers" did in the 1700's.

If just ONE person listens and HEARS.......... 

I also find it somewhat gratifying that I have 6 Iggys!

   I got you beat!...I got you beat!  I got More than you do!!!!  ...  ohh, sorry, 


I look at them as 6 that have no stomach for the fight, or are too weak to articulate and defend their positions when they are in opposition to mine. Or, possibly 6 that are so indoctrinated to their position they have simply given up in trying to persuade me over to their view.
I have much more respect, even in disagreement, with those such as Shaggy and FF for their defense of their positions in the face of open opposition than those that will willingly concede the debate. Even when some comments may take a personal tone I take no offense at all. I have been called much worse by my Drill Instructors many years ago. Hell, to be honest if the topic goes personal most times you're winning!

                                                                     

[Pax Gothorum]

Here's a outstanding example of how retrograde our American World has moved; Russia dispenses with some economic wisdom:

Putin to the West: Take Your Medicine
And don't go socialist <- link

We've truly entered a Bizarro World universe, where up is down, right is left – and the Russians, of all people, are now lecturing us about the virtues of free enterprise.

Putin showed that his economic understanding was superior to that of the Obama team when he said that creating more debt on top of the “hopeless debts,” as Obama is doing, would “prolong the crisis.”

And on the opposite end of that spectrum we've got a new administration that is doing just what we do not need:

The Death of American Leadership <- link

Vast numbers of people in the United States and abroad are hoping that President Obama will end America’s illegal wars, halt America’s support for Israel’s massacre of Lebanese and Palestinians, and punish, instead of reward, the shyster banksters whose fraudulent financial instruments have destroyed economics and imposed massive sufferings on people all over the world.  If Obama’s appointments are an indication, all of these hopeful people are going to be disappointed.

We have been just free enough to pick our own poison...