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[Lethlweapn]

My obligation to you, and everyone else with whom I have no contract, is to let you live your life as you see fit.

I've been fulfilling my obligation to you since before you were born.

If you vote, you are certainly not fulfilling your reciprocal obligation to me.

They were going to have a vote, about giving you all your money back from your taxes, and making it so you would never have to pay any more.

But, I didn't vote for it, cause voting is bad, mm'kay?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

They were going to have a vote, about giving you all your money back from your taxes, and making it so you would never have to pay any more.

But, I didn't vote for it, cause voting is bad, mm'kay?

Don't be stupid. There's nothing wrong with voting in a voluntary context, for example, voting on corporate proposals for a company in which you voluntarily own shares.

"If I were walking past your house and came upon a crowd deliberating whether to enter the premises and take things that belonged to you, and they invited me to vote on the matter, I would swiftly inform them that there could be no vote about it because the matter is completely closed on the principle of private property. There is no such thing as a moral right to take a vote on whether to violate others' rights. In plain language, this is known as a conspiracy."

"And there is no magic alchemy by which these principles are mooted simply by scaling the conspiracy up to the level of a whole nation."  -- Billy Beck

[lordfly]

Don't be stupid. There's nothing wrong with voting in a voluntary context, for example, voting on corporate proposals for a company in which you voluntarily own shares.

I notice you continue to voluntarily live within a society that, in your own words, rapes you daily in new and horrible ways. You could move, you know, to something a bit more your style. Like, say, Somalia. There's no voting there. Just anarchy, violence, and rape. But it's okay, it's not your neighbors raping you, just your enemies that you can shoot in the face. No taxes, either! I'm pretty sure it's legal to shoot a tax collector in the face in Somalia.

[Lethlweapn]

I notice you continue to voluntarily live within a society that, in your own words, rapes you daily in new and horrible ways. You could move, you know, to something a bit more your style. Like, say, Somalia. There's no voting there. Just anarchy, violence, and rape. But it's okay, it's not your neighbors raping you, just your enemies that you can shoot in the face. No taxes, either! I'm pretty sure it's legal to shoot a tax collector in the face in Somalia.

I would never rape you in Somalia, why would you rape me in Somalia?

And where is your Somalia anyhow? Is it like your butt crack?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

I notice you continue to voluntarily live within a society that, in your own words, rapes you daily...

I never said that, snarker.

Compliance under duress isn't voluntarism.

You could move, you know, to something a bit more your style. Like, say, Somalia. There's no voting there. Just anarchy, violence, and rape. But it's okay, it's not your neighbors raping you, just your enemies that you can shoot in the face. No taxes, either! I'm pretty sure it's legal to shoot a tax collector in the face in Somalia.

'Love it or leave it' is now, always has been, and will always be violence in a second-hand dress.

What do I owe you? Name it.

[ducksoup]

I never said that, snarker.

Compliance under duress isn't voluntarism.

'Love it or leave it' is now, always has been, and will always be violence in a second-hand dress.

What do I owe you? Name it.

I'd say you owe him an apology...

[lordfly]

I never said that, snarker.

Compliance under duress isn't voluntarism.

'Love it or leave it' is now, always has been, and will always be violence in a second-hand dress.

What do I owe you? Name it.

You owe me the even recalcitrant ability to play with others, to function and thrive in a society that is really quite libertarian in its demands. It's a wonder you weren't shunted off into special classes for not playing well with the other kids in elementary school. You're positively psychopathic when it comes to society at large, and that's bizarre for a social creature such as homo sapien. You immediately and violently (well, in words, anyways, you're much too shy to go out and bomb the very society you loathe) reject any sort of social contract on the grounds that it's infringing upon your God-given right to be anti-social.

It's kind of ridiculous. And then, once you've puffed your chest out and thumped it hard in the name of anarchism, you slink away in the shadows, quietly paying your taxes, going to work, perhaps even raising a family. Not really doing anything to rock the boat, that wouldn't work at all, you see. It'd be social rapeocide.

[Matt (formerly ML)]

I'd say you owe him an apology...

An apology for precisely what?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

You owe me the even recalcitrant ability to play with others, to function and thrive in a society that is really quite libertarian in its demands. It's a wonder you weren't shunted off into special classes for not playing well with the other kids in elementary school. You're positively psychopathic when it comes to society at large, and that's bizarre for a social creature such as homo sapien. You immediately and violently (well, in words, anyways, you're much too shy to go out and bomb the very society you loathe) reject any sort of social contract on the grounds that it's infringing upon your God-given right to be anti-social.

It's kind of ridiculous. And then, once you've puffed your chest out and thumped it hard in the name of anarchism, you slink away in the shadows, quietly paying your taxes, going to work, perhaps even raising a family. Not really doing anything to rock the boat, that wouldn't work at all, you see. It'd be social rapeocide.

More snark, completely ignoring the fact that compliance under duress does not constitute agreement. There's a surprise.

I owe you nothing other than what I've already done: live and let live.

Please reciprocate.

[Pax Gothorum]

Actually if you have ever received a piece of mail and opened it, you have accepted the Federal Governments jurisdiction. 
If you own a gun, your possession of it is illegal if you failed to put your zip code on your registration application. 
If you have a Social Security Number that you have used for any type of documentation since you reached the age or reason (any employer that has hired you by law has to visually inspect your SS card) you have accepted the Federal Governments jurisdiction.

Aha!  Finally!  Somebody else sees the difficulties inherent in trying to de-contract with the federales!  We've been so programmed to just sign here and everybody and their brother insists on a SSN to do any sort of business that to refuse to supply the "required" information gets one shunned.  I'm totally ok with that. As for "living off the radar" I've been trying to do just that for several years and it's an ongoing, convoluted process.  Just when I think I've got some things worked out it seems the rules get changed.
As for firearms ownership: I don't own one but, obviously, I don't give a rat's a** about blatantly unamerican "rules" like "registration," either.
I'm not sure about the mail thing, but will keep that under advisement: I refuse to utilize 2-letter state abbreviations or supply a ZIP code, never supply a phone number, and haven't signed a government document in ages - including my "Driver's License."  Refused written in garbled script rarely gets noticed...

[Monrover]

Can you "handle" imprisonment or death?

Aren't you the poster that once asked if anyone on this forum would have complied with Jim Crow laws; even in the face of certain imprisonment?

Didn't you chastise others here for lacking the backbone to stand up against obvious moral and legal shortcomings of the laws and customs of that day?

Where is the defining difference in this example of taxes and imprisonment?

[lordfly]

Aren't you the poster that once asked if anyone on this forum would have complied with Jim Crow laws; even in the face of certain imprisonment?

Didn't you chastise others here for lacking the backbone to stand up against obvious moral and legal shortcomings of the laws and customs of that day?

Where is the defining difference in this example of taxes and imprisonment?

The difference is he's the one whose neck would be on the line, so he can't possibly go through with it.

All talk, no trousers.

[jbs49238]

Aren't you the poster that once asked if anyone on this forum would have complied with Jim Crow laws; even in the face of certain imprisonment?

Didn't you chastise others here for lacking the backbone to stand up against obvious moral and legal shortcomings of the laws and customs of that day?

Where is the defining difference in this example of taxes and imprisonment?

Be careful, you pushing him into a corner using his own thoughts might get you called a name or cussed at.

And if you ask him questions there will be a delay in answering since it takes him a long time to put on his tap dancing shoes.

[jbs49238]

Aren't you the poster that once asked if anyone on this forum would have complied with Jim Crow laws; even in the face of certain imprisonment?

Didn't you chastise others here for lacking the backbone to stand up against obvious moral and legal shortcomings of the laws and customs of that day?

Where is the defining difference in this example of taxes and imprisonment?

Oh and the answer to your questions:  "YES", "YES", "and where are my tap dancing shoes".

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Aren't you the poster that once asked if anyone on this forum would have complied with Jim Crow laws; even in the face of certain imprisonment?

Those who complied with Jim Crow never faced the threat of imprisonment or worse.

It was those who rejected Jim Crow who risked life and liberty.